Episode 6

Self Awareness And Spirituality: Letting Go Of The Victim Mindset

Laurin Wittig and Alan talk about how she found her spiritual practice. Laurin uses her hands to receive and communicate energy as well as using her hands to help heal other people including aligning their chakras. Laurin and Alan touch on how important it is to connect mindfulness and spirituality – you cannot have one without the other. Through your mindfulness practice Laurin believes you will eventually be able to understand how to change your perspective and learn to truly forgive others. Our body language is also important, when we are feeling down it is incredible what smiling can do to change our brain chemistry.

Laurin explains the tumultuous relationship she had with her mother and how it helped her and shaped her into the person she is today. She learned how to turn her traumas into helpful experiences that changed her narrative of being a victim.

About The Guest:

Laurin Wittig is an intuitive energy healer and spirituality mentor, the founder of HeartLight Wellness, the host of the Curiously Wise podcast, and an award-winning novelist. Her passion is assisting her clients through their journeys out of mind, body, and/or spiritual distress and into a life of passion, purpose, and joy. 

Laurin's own journey from emotional pain and deteriorating health to happiness and great health, with the assistance of several intuitive healers, is the very thing that inspires her passion to help others with her own healing gifts. 

About Alan:

Alan Carroll is an Educational Psychologist who specializes in Transpersonal Psychology. He founded Alan Carroll & Associates 30 years ago and before that, he was a Senior Sales Training Consultant for 10 years at Digital Equipment Corporation. He has dedicated his life in search of mindfulness tools that can be used by everyone (young and old) to transform their ability to speak at a professional level, as well as, to reduce the psychological suffering caused by the misidentification with our ego and reconnect to the vast transcendent dimension of consciousness that lies just on the other side of the thoughts we think and in between the words we speak.

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Transcript
Alan Carroll:

Hi, Lauren, welcome to the show.

Laurin Wittig:

Hey, Alan, thanks for having me. I'm looking

Laurin Wittig:

forward to yet another good conversation with you.

Alan Carroll:

Yeah, we've had, we've had a few conversations we

Alan Carroll:

have. Yeah. Yeah. And one of the things that we've had in our

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conversation, and was spirituality. Yeah, the idea

Alan Carroll:

that there is a state of awareness, a state of

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consciousness, beyond what we would refer to as the physical

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plane of awareness. And what I like to do is, hear what you

Alan Carroll:

would use to describe that, that space of spirituality. And those

Alan Carroll:

folks who want to access that dimension of spirituality, what

Alan Carroll:

are some of the things that they could do in their, in their own

Alan Carroll:

practice, in order to build that, that connection to the

Alan Carroll:

spiritual part of our, of our life?

Laurin Wittig:

Okay, so that's a lot. Spirituality, for me is

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really almost more of a feeling than an intellectual thing that

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I can I can put words to easily, but it's, it is, for me, it's

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being connected to the energy of everything around me in a

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conscious way. And that conscious way has built over

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time, it's not something that I just, you know, figured out one

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day I could do, it's been building and I've worked with

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other people who do energy work, because that's my area of

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expertise is energy healing. But that once you start to get

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since, like, like sensory validation that you're

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experiencing something different. And that for me is

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that I feel energy in the palms of my hands. That's, that's how

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I work with the energy of people or the world or my pet my dog or

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things, is I kind of feel like they're satellite dishes, they

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they're receiving the energy, they're receiving the signal. So

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for me, that's how I tactically experience what's not there,

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what's not visible, right. And for me, that was a very

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validating thing. Especially when I began to practice I did a

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lot of practicing before I decided I could actually do

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energy work, but practicing with people who also are able to

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experience energy moving through them. Because they would say,

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Oh, I'm feeling you do this, and they'd have their eyes closed.

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And I'd know they couldn't see what I was doing. But it was

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right where I was working at the moment. So there's things like

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that, that are very validating. The other thing for me, that was

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huge, and it's one of my my favorite things to teach people

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and do is, is that you can't you have guides, we all have guides,

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they can take many forms. You can call them whatever you like,

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it could be God, it could be all it is. It could be Gaia, it

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could be angels, it could be power animals doesn't matter.

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They're all pretty much spirit, right? And each culture seems to

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have its own sort of way of visualizing that. Yeah, that's

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true. Really, you know, we humans like to name things,

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right. That's how we understand them. So for me, it's it's a lot

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of angels. But it's a lot of ancestral. I do a lot of

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shamanic work and boys that awesome in terms of taking you

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down a rabbit hole that is super spiritual, and hard to explain

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to people who haven't experienced, I guess it's what I

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can say. But it's I just lost my track. Oh, the guides. I started

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learning to talk to the guides. And then I started learning how

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to get answers back. And my favorite thing, I've got one

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right here. I always keep these handy. My favorite tools. The

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first one I ever learned to use is a pendulum. And it's such a

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simple little thing. And you can ask questions of your guides and

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ask them and it'll give you a yes or no answer. Very simple.

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So is my name Lauren? Minus it's probably hard to see this going

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in a circle. Yeah, and that's my Yes. Yours might not be. Now

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it's showing me no. Okay. No, it's ahead of me. No is for me

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as a left right swing, but everybody has their own so you

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train a pendulum just by saying show me Yes. And show me in no.

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And you can start asking questions and getting answers.

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So I use this a lot now to validate myself because for

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instance, I'm looking I'm working with somebody after this

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I have client coming in and I was going to try I'm going to

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use a new protocol I've just learned and I but it wasn't sure

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I should I think I should but I'm not sure so I got this out

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and said should I use this you know in should I use this with

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that client and I got a big ol yes really fast. I was like

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Okay, thank you. I just wanted to bail. Did I got that, right?

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So

Alan Carroll:

there are really fascinating that that you can

Alan Carroll:

make a connection to a dimension of consciousness and have a two

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way communication to make that that certainly validates the

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fact that there is something beyond the physical, which would

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be beneficial and to be able to connect with.

Laurin Wittig:

Yeah, it also begins to validate your own

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intuition. Because you'll get an intuitive hit about something

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like I did for this client. I was kind of sitting here going,

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what should I you know, is there something specific I should do?

Laurin Wittig:

Oh, I got this new protocol that I haven't tried yet. Maybe that,

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and my, that was my intuition kicking in yet got that new

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thing. And, and so my intuition was, yeah, that's the right

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thing. But I was able to validate it with a visual tool.

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And for me, that was a game changer. Wow, it was it was a

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game changer. And even better, is what I use a lot now is what

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a lot of people call automatic writing, but I'm not sure that's

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exactly the same thing. I love to I can type with my eyes

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closed. So computers work well for me, but you can do it

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longhand, I ask a question I type the question in. And then I

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wait. And because I can type with my eyes closed, I close my

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eyes and just allow whatever wants to come through me. And I

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start typing it. I don't ask and I don't question it. I don't

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censor it. I don't edit it. Just let it flow. And then often I'll

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stop and read that answer. And it's not in my voice. It's not

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the way I phrase things. It's not the metaphors I would use.

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It's often more formal language than I would use. But I can also

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then ask another question. Oh, so you bring up this point, let

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me ask another question. And I type it in. So you can have an

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ongoing conversation. And for me, that's my favorite tool.

Alan Carroll:

Wow. Yeah. So how long have you been involved in

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this workload?

Laurin Wittig:

That's a really good question. I would I'm

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trying to think back when I first learned that particular

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tool, I was still writing books. My last book, I finished in like

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2014. So probably a little bit before that was when I really

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started consciously communicating with my guides.

Alan Carroll:

So the books that you wrote, dealing with the work

Alan Carroll:

that you're doing,

Laurin Wittig:

oddly, four of the six were, I write I wrote, I

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don't I'm not writing them anymore. But historical romance

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and medieval Scotland were magical cultures. Oh, very first

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book was about a healer, who worked with energy from her

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hands. I did not know that. I could do that when I wrote that

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book. So yeah, it was not a conscious thing. But clearly,

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Spirit was working through me on that too.

Alan Carroll:

Now, the palms of the hands, there's a lot of

Alan Carroll:

sensitivity. There's this laying on of the hands, I've heard that

Alan Carroll:

that expression is that expression that you use the

Alan Carroll:

laying on of hands,

Laurin Wittig:

it's not one that I use, partly because I

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typically work off the body about three to four inches. But

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there's a chakra, a minor chakra in the palms of your hands. So

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the chakras are the main most people know the seven or have

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maybe heard the seven that are the main something

Alan Carroll:

down the spine. Yes. Yeah. So those

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are your really those are the big, you know,

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full on chakras. We have minor chakras. We have my new chakras

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all over the body. And all they are is if you know, Chinese

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medicine at all acupressure acupuncture. Sure is what the

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meridians Yep, well, where there's I can never remember the

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numbers. But the the main chakras are where there's just a

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whole bunch of those meridians crossing in the same place. The

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minor ones there have less of those lines crossing through

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them. The minute ones might only have one or two, probably at

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least two. But I have this instinct for where they are.

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Without before I ever knew about anything other than the major

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chakras. I knew that this was a place that was important. I knew

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that that the soul of the foot, you know, where you have that

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like the two balls at the front of your foot, and then there's

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that little sort of indentation between them. There's a chakra

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right in there. I found that before I knew what it was, you

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know, so I have an affinity for for these things, obviously. So

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yeah, so I don't call it laying on of hands. I do sometimes work

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hands on. When I do Reiki I'll often actually put my hands on

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the body. So in a way, I mean, it is laying on the hands. It's

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just done with a very specific intention. Because that's really

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each of the modalities that I've been learning about energy

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healing, it's just a different way of in tensioning how you're

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working with Energy.

Alan Carroll:

The person is lying down on a table. Yep, the

Alan Carroll:

massage table, and you put your hands three or four inches above

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the body and you start to tune into what a second? What's going

Alan Carroll:

on there, feel a little heat there feel a little cold there.

Alan Carroll:

If you do with hot and cold, how do you what's the senses in your

Alan Carroll:

hands?

Laurin Wittig:

It primarily it's the best way to talk about it is

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like water flowing. So if everything is moving, well

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you're balanced and your energy systems working at peak

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performance, which is almost never what I see in people

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because they come to me because something's not working, right.

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But if it is, I feel like it's warm water flowing. Like there's

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no impediments. And it's just this beautiful, warm feeling. If

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there's no energy moving through something, I feel it is cold, or

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cool that different people feel a different way. So So you know,

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don't think that if you that you have to feel it that way, if you

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if you're interpreting no energy, what I find most often

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is what I call a turbulence. So just like water going over

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rapid, you get air bubbles in there and their sticks that are

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on there, and maybe a boulder that it's got to go around.

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That's a blockage of some sort to me. And it feels very prickly

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in my in my palms. So those are the main three things that I

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feel I do go through first things everybody is I go through

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and check all seven of the major chakras. And I often find that

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they're not in alignment. So imagine if your spine was not

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new, if you had scoliosis or something, then the nervous

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systems aren't going to work well the bones can't work well

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together. Same with the that major chakra system, if it's not

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in good alignment, then the energy is not flowing well,

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because it's gotta go around things. And it's and your

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chakras can be completely out of that spinal column alignment. So

Alan Carroll:

let's say I, I feel something out of alignment,

Alan Carroll:

I feel something that's cold, I feel that in a sense, there's a

Alan Carroll:

blockage. So as a healer, what I want to do is somehow reduce the

Alan Carroll:

blockage and allow that warm flow of river water flow into

Alan Carroll:

the garden again, yeah, what do you do to remove the blockage?

Laurin Wittig:

Well, I've learned from a lot a lot of

Laurin Wittig:

experience, including my own healing, you know, where people

Laurin Wittig:

were doing healing work for me, that those blockages are usually

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some story that you've been telling yourself. So it's a

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belief now, and it's maybe it's a trauma, or it's something that

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stuck in your body, and you're not allowing yourself to

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acknowledge it and process it. So we are taught to shove our

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emotions into our bodies, right? It's like, it's our culture,

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that gets very uncomfortable. If we express like, especially

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sadness, or grief or anger, you know, those kinds of things. And

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so particularly women, I find stuff, our emotions are

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uncomfortable emotions into our hips. So that's in that that

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whole hip cradle area. Men, I find tend to do it in shoulders.

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So I mean, I haven't worked with a lot of men, but the men I've

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found I've worked with Tip tend to have it in the shoulders. But

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once I find that I'm first of all, I'm thinking about the area

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of the chakra area, the main chakra area, because that that

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sort of governs different parts of your of your experience. But

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I'm looking for the story. And the way I do that, this is where

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the intuitive comes in. I can talk to spirit, and I've always

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invited in my clients spirits to be with us and to help and to

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work through me if needed. And so usually something I'll get an

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image, you know, in my head, I'll get maybe a word, I

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sometimes get lyrics, you know, song lyrics, I may see a place

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or something that gives me a certain time, you know, era or

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something. And sometimes I know what it is, sometimes I just

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intuitively understand what I'm being given. But often I'll go

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okay, to the client. I don't know why I'm getting this. But

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here's, I just got this lyric, or I'm seeing this kind of

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picture. And I think it's, you know, like, it's a farm, maybe I

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don't know, it doesn't look like it's ancient or anything, but

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it's not like in our lifetime or, you know, something like

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that. And 10 times out of 10 the client figures it out or knows

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immediately what what it's referring to. And then that

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allows us to have a conversation about whatever that's brought us

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to. And so I'm the whole time we're talking about it, I'm

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working with the energy trying to loosen it up. And it's really

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all hand motion. For me. It's it's kind of like, you know, if

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you if you put your hand on water and stir it up, it starts

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to move and things can flow differently. So I'm working with

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that. I find what I call sludge in a lot of them, which to me

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looks like black tar kind of goo. So sometimes I'm unwinding

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that and pulling it out and sending it into the light while

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we're Talking about all this. Because if you don't reveal what

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the problem is, which I do, by bringing it up, where we can

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talk about it, it's not going to go away. So as I talk about my

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processes reveal, so bring it up, release, process, and then

Laurin Wittig:

transform. And that's where you get to heal. That's the healing.

Alan Carroll:

Go ahead and say that again, Lauren. So my

Alan Carroll:

audience can, repetition is the mother of learning, I learned,

Alan Carroll:

just to say that, again,

Laurin Wittig:

it does require me to remember what I just said.

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But there's three steps that I talk about with my healing,

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there's reveal, which is finding what is causing the block, and

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bringing it up, I often call it bringing it up into the light,

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bringing it up into consciousness, because it's all

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subconscious when it's stuck in your body. So we bring it up

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into consciousness. And we start to talk about it while I'm

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working with the energy. So I'm loosening up the energy, the

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conversation is helping to loosen up the energy we are

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sometimes we're problem solving, how can we look at this from a

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different perspective, you were a four year old things that are

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terribly traumatic at four are often no big deal when you're

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30. So it's things like that, that we can we can discuss, we

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can talk about we can and I can move the energy of, and then we

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get to transform from pain into health or wellness or

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improvement. And it's it's a beautiful three, three part

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process that I go through again, and again and again, with my

Laurin Wittig:

clients. And it's it's magical.

Alan Carroll:

Yeah, it's really, it's, it's using the I'll call

Alan Carroll:

it the fifth element of space, which is the metaphysical

Alan Carroll:

spiritual element. And you are, the word that comes to my mind

Alan Carroll:

is aeration. When you when you aerate something that's

Alan Carroll:

condensed, it loosens it. Yes. And those pockets of blocks are

Alan Carroll:

like something is condensed there. And yeah, that's a great

Alan Carroll:

way to say it. In the mind. There's a story connected with

Alan Carroll:

the condensing. And if we can uncork the story, it releases

Alan Carroll:

that energy, which directly affects the physical body. And

Alan Carroll:

it gets released in the physical body, which then leads to a

Alan Carroll:

conversation of mindfulness. Yes, because mindfulness is to

Alan Carroll:

be aware of the thoughts, and how do you manage those

Alan Carroll:

thoughts? And, and so when we talk about mindfulness and

Alan Carroll:

spirituality, what are what are the connections that you see

Alan Carroll:

between being mindful and the work that you do?

Laurin Wittig:

Well, I mean, mindfulness is a whole lot of

Laurin Wittig:

things to me. For me, a meditation practice is sort of

Laurin Wittig:

where I first go to with mindfulness. But I also think

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that the mindfulness and I learned this through getting

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quiet with meditation is that ability to turn inside into an

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inside yourself. In Word, that's the word I'm looking for, and

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pay attention to what's going on. You know, so there's a

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mindfulness about what's really happening in my body, what's

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really happening in my egoic brain. That's just repeating

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things that are not helpful to us or that are keeping us

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trapped and patterns. So getting mindful about them for me, is,

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first of all, recognizing what's going on. Being aware. You know,

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that's the very first step at what you can't what you can't be

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aware of, you can't fix as far as I know. But then getting

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curious. Like, okay, I have this story. Where did this story come

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from? Why was it so important? How can I reframe that, and for

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me, most of my stories that were causing the problem where I was

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putting myself in a victim mode, you know, I was the victim of,

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you know, my parents or situations and having an

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epiphany one day and meditation that I was doing that allowed me

Laurin Wittig:

to go away I'm not a victim. I am strong person I like the life

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I have. Everything has turned out really well. I've learned so

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much from what I've done. And that's a perspective change.

Laurin Wittig:

Right? It's stepping out of the Oh poor pitiful me as my dad

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used to say to I have a look at all this great stuff that I have

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all this great stuff going on in my life. The person I am I

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really like maybe there's some things that I want to change

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still, but that's just called life. But being able to flip out

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of that I'm a victim of my I'll say my mother because that's

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what I was dealing with at the time sure, to look how strong

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she has made me by being such a difficult person and It totally

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changed my relationship with myself and totally changed my

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relationship with her and allowed all kinds of things to

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release. And it was, if not instantaneous, it was just a day

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or two, before I really was aware of a massive change within

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myself. Wow. So for me, that's mindfulness is pure, let giving

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yourself the time space and quiet, to look inward to

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acknowledge, and then reframe it, find a better way to look at

Laurin Wittig:

it.

Alan Carroll:

Excellent, very, very nice. I find that the did

Alan Carroll:

two words you mentioned one was the meditation. And then you you

Alan Carroll:

mentioned awareness of what's going on inside of you. And I

Alan Carroll:

find that most people are, are trapped by the thoughts that

Alan Carroll:

they're thinking about the situation that they're

Alan Carroll:

experiencing, and they're not able to stop. Take a step back,

Alan Carroll:

observe physical tension in your body. Something has pressed a

Alan Carroll:

button out there in the outer world, it all triggers and

Alan Carroll:

you're getting, you're getting stirred up with your thoughts.

Alan Carroll:

And, and if you're not able to, to manage those thoughts, and in

Alan Carroll:

the way I say is close to the way you say it, you can't manage

Alan Carroll:

something you can't see. And if you don't see your body going

Alan Carroll:

wacko in front of you right now, if you don't feel the anger

Alan Carroll:

stirring up inside of you, if you don't know that that person,

Alan Carroll:

you're making that person wrong, and that it's causing you to be

Alan Carroll:

a victim, then you're at the effect. Right. And that's not

Alan Carroll:

gonna, that's not going to escort you out of the the the

Alan Carroll:

suffering, the psychological suffering that you are

Alan Carroll:

experiencing. Yeah, so mindfulness is about that self

Alan Carroll:

awareness. And most people don't have it. Most people I see.

Alan Carroll:

They're just that's the way it is. Yeah.

Laurin Wittig:

Oh, I can't change that. It's just the way

Laurin Wittig:

it is. It's like, I'm sorry. But yes, you can change it. But you

Laurin Wittig:

have to

Alan Carroll:

want I can't, and why? Why is it difficult,

Alan Carroll:

psychologically, for people to rewrite the story of the victim?

Alan Carroll:

Why, why why? Why would you continue to write a story that

Alan Carroll:

is causing you psychological and physical and emotional

Alan Carroll:

suffering? What what, what causes somebody to hold on to a

Alan Carroll:

story like that?

Laurin Wittig:

I think I know I can speak for me, because it's

Laurin Wittig:

this is a journey I have taken in the last five or six years of

Laurin Wittig:

my life so far. For me, a lot of it was I didn't want to take

Laurin Wittig:

responsibility for fixing myself, I wanted the other

Laurin Wittig:

person to fix themselves. And that lack of responsibility for

Laurin Wittig:

my own happiness in my own health, because it really had a

Laurin Wittig:

big impact on my health to be in victim mode. You bet. And it and

Laurin Wittig:

you know, it was my mother, I had protected myself from her my

Laurin Wittig:

whole life. And it was not without reason. She was a

Laurin Wittig:

narcissist, and she was really good at gaslighting people. So

Laurin Wittig:

but, you know, I was like, wait a minute, I'm an adult, I'm not

Laurin Wittig:

a kid anymore. I have made some very good boundaries with her.

Laurin Wittig:

And I can, I can take the responsibility for my own

Laurin Wittig:

happiness. And, I mean, people have been telling me I needed to

Laurin Wittig:

do that I needed to forgive her. I'm like, I can't forgive her.

Laurin Wittig:

She did all this shit to me kind of stuff. But I really it was it

Laurin Wittig:

was a lot of not only forgiving her for being the heart of the

Laurin Wittig:

person she is, was being grateful that she did the best

Laurin Wittig:

she could. She did did the best she was capable of doing it.

Laurin Wittig:

That changed my perspective. Yep. And the other thing was to

Laurin Wittig:

stop judging her. Because a lot of what keeps us trapped is

Laurin Wittig:

we're so busy judging everybody else. They're not doing it

Laurin Wittig:

right. She needs to be a better mom. You know that person. Even,

Laurin Wittig:

you know, like at the stoplight. It's crazy. Why aren't you

Laurin Wittig:

going? That kind of thing. We judge all the time. I think it

Laurin Wittig:

must be the nature of humans, but it's really become a

Laurin Wittig:

practice of mine to catch myself doing that. Yes. We all do it

Laurin Wittig:

and we're gonna always do it. It's just part of part of us, I

Laurin Wittig:

think. But I catch myself quickly now.

Alan Carroll:

Yeah, doing it. Yes, yes. Yes. And

Laurin Wittig:

I follow a lot of what I feel in your energy and

Laurin Wittig:

that is I I'll sit back. Take a really good breath. Yep. Try to

Laurin Wittig:

find a different perspective. I love the traffic stuff because I

Laurin Wittig:

think we all have issues in traffic. But you know, if I can

Laurin Wittig:

say, well, maybe that guy's had a really bad day, and he's kind

Laurin Wittig:

of tired, maybe work the night shift, and he just hasn't

Laurin Wittig:

realized yet that the light has changed yet. Oh, well, me, bless

Laurin Wittig:

his heart. I just wish he like, Okay, I that's fine. I'm fine.

Laurin Wittig:

You just do what you can when you can. Okay? It's just little

Laurin Wittig:

things. And for me, the storyteller in me is allows me

Laurin Wittig:

to get curious about the person my dad taught me to be a people

Laurin Wittig:

watcher early on, and we would play get the game of okay, that

Laurin Wittig:

person is carrying a briefcase. I wonder what's in that

Laurin Wittig:

briefcase? I wonder what that person's job is? I wonder how to

Laurin Wittig:

say that. Is the person marry that? Yeah, it's all of these

Laurin Wittig:

fun little things that were a game. But they served me really

Laurin Wittig:

well now. Because I can say, Hmm, so that person is stuck at

Laurin Wittig:

the, at the light. Maybe Maybe he fell asleep. And I don't want

Laurin Wittig:

him driving anyway, maybe he's a little distracted. Because

Laurin Wittig:

something just happened that upset him. Maybe he's on his way

Laurin Wittig:

to meet his baby girl. And he's just not paying attention to

Laurin Wittig:

everything. Yeah, it's an and that that may be it writers

Laurin Wittig:

caught? What if? You know, because when we start dreaming

Laurin Wittig:

up Characters or plot to go, Well, what if this person was

Laurin Wittig:

like this? Or what if this happened in the plot? And what

Laurin Wittig:

would that person do? And so it's a really handy little tool.

Laurin Wittig:

But, but it takes away the judgment, it gives you a

Laurin Wittig:

different perspective. And if you look at it as a game, then

Laurin Wittig:

you know, that just automatically lifts the energy

Laurin Wittig:

of it.

Alan Carroll:

That's really, really what you just said is

Alan Carroll:

matches my experience exactly. I'm driving down the road, and

Alan Carroll:

the person is driving a pickup truck ahead of me. And they're

Alan Carroll:

sort of erratic, you know, not driving the way I would drive,

Alan Carroll:

right. And so you start to create the story about what's

Alan Carroll:

going on in that person's life. And based on my

Laurin Wittig:

story, the what? It's usually not a nice story.

Alan Carroll:

That's right, they're wrong. That's my

Alan Carroll:

judgment. They're not doing it the right way. Exactly. And what

Alan Carroll:

happens is, once I write that story, in my mind, that becomes

Alan Carroll:

the way I interact with that picture in the movie. And one

Alan Carroll:

day, I just wait a minute. Do I have to write that story that

Alan Carroll:

way? Could I think of another way to write the story in a way

Alan Carroll:

that as Tony Robbins said, people do the best they can with

Alan Carroll:

the resources they have? Right? It's like, can you write a story

Alan Carroll:

that has a more compassion to it? That is less ego involved in

Alan Carroll:

it? Right? And all of a sudden about me,

Laurin Wittig:

and it's more about them? said again, it's

Laurin Wittig:

less about me, right? And more about them. Right?

Alan Carroll:

Right. The idea is that I, I can change the

Alan Carroll:

narrative. But the challenge that I find changing the

Alan Carroll:

narrative is I have to let go of the narrative, my initial

Alan Carroll:

narrative, which is based on my conditioning, and letting go

Alan Carroll:

requires flexibility and mental flexibility of not clinging to

Alan Carroll:

those thoughts. Right. So I so I imagine that with meditation,

Alan Carroll:

you talked about meditation, I find that meditation is managing

Alan Carroll:

those thoughts, loosening up those thoughts that you're

Alan Carroll:

thinking air rating, air rating, the thoughts, adding space to

Alan Carroll:

something, dissolving something, fluidity, you're, you're flowing

Alan Carroll:

more, you're not resisting so much. And so you are talking

Alan Carroll:

exactly about flexibility. Not resisting reframing is one of

Alan Carroll:

the words in NLP they talk about a lot. How could you reframe it?

Alan Carroll:

The problem is that you have to, you have to be able to observe,

Alan Carroll:

you have to be able to step back. And most people that I

Alan Carroll:

find, step back means forgiving. And you mentioned goodness and

Alan Carroll:

forgiveness is, you know, talking about forgiveness and

Alan Carroll:

the importance of forgiveness, Laurie?

Laurin Wittig:

Yeah, it's hard. That was that was where I got to

Laurin Wittig:

with my mom, that changed everything is once I changed my

Laurin Wittig:

perspective, and I one of the ways the visualizations I used

Laurin Wittig:

to talk about perspective is I call it the Hawks eye view. You

Laurin Wittig:

know, I love birds. So the Hawks fly really high and they see

Laurin Wittig:

really sharp down below, but it's a very different

Laurin Wittig:

perspective than if you're right here in it. And yep, so I try to

Laurin Wittig:

imagine myself flying above whatever's going on and and

Laurin Wittig:

helping that helps me change my perspective. The microscope

Laurin Wittig:

activ about my mother, when I got out of the victim mode took

Laurin Wittig:

responsibility for my own emotions and my own story.

Laurin Wittig:

Whatever story I wanted to write, I not only was easy to

Laurin Wittig:

forgive her, because that, that idea of going, you know, putting

Laurin Wittig:

myself in her shoes for one thing, she was 22 years old when

Laurin Wittig:

I was born, my dad's youngest brother, who was seven had just

Laurin Wittig:

come to live with them, because his parents were both gone. They

Laurin Wittig:

were young, they were, you know, they were fresh out of law

Laurin Wittig:

school. And my dad had a nervous breakdown. And here's my mom,

Laurin Wittig:

you know, seven months pregnant with me when when my brother my

Laurin Wittig:

uncle, but I call my brother came to live with us, and her

Laurin Wittig:

husband of three years or four years, is having a nervous

Laurin Wittig:

breakdown. And there's nobody to hold it together. But her what

Laurin Wittig:

kind of strength did that take in this 22 year old girl, right?

Laurin Wittig:

And when I really was able to like put myself in her shoes and

Laurin Wittig:

think, oh my god, I would be like a basket case I would never

Laurin Wittig:

have had the you know, the the strength and with the strength

Laurin Wittig:

of will to take care of everybody. Because she was she

Laurin Wittig:

had a newborn baby, she had this kid who was traumatized from

Laurin Wittig:

losing his family so early and, and this husband who was falling

Laurin Wittig:

apart, and doing that little exercise changed everything for

Laurin Wittig:

me. I've been a mother with a baby who was sick and you know,

Laurin Wittig:

other responsibilities and changed it completely. And I was

Laurin Wittig:

able to go, you know, she did a pretty good job considering what

Laurin Wittig:

cards she was handed. Yep. And I can appreciate that. So instead

Laurin Wittig:

of saying, Why aren't you the mother? I wish you were right.

Laurin Wittig:

Oh, yeah, did a really good job with a really bad hand? Yep. And

Laurin Wittig:

that I was immediately able to forgive her. At that point for

Laurin Wittig:

not being the mother I wanted her to be You bet. And that was

Laurin Wittig:

huge. So that's, again, a perspective change. You know, if

Laurin Wittig:

you can, if you can walk in another man's shoes, you know,

Laurin Wittig:

you can see through their eyes and through what they came

Laurin Wittig:

through. And of course, I was, you know, not even born when all

Laurin Wittig:

that was starting. And so I didn't have any perspective

Laurin Wittig:

about it, except, you know, from my conscious, growing up years.

Laurin Wittig:

So that was, that was really a powerful moment for me to

Laurin Wittig:

forgive her. But then I also was able to forgive myself for not

Laurin Wittig:

stepping up and understanding that sooner. Yep. That's great.

Laurin Wittig:

What a change that made for both of us. We went from i She was

Laurin Wittig:

defensive, I was I was always Bear Bear cating myself

Laurin Wittig:

energetically from her energy. And the last probably couple of

Laurin Wittig:

months of her life. We had this really lovely softening of the

Laurin Wittig:

relationship, a gentleness, a compassion. She told me she was

Laurin Wittig:

proud of me for the first time in my life. Wow. Makes me teary.

Alan Carroll:

Yeah, too. Yeah, I feel it. I feel Yeah,

Laurin Wittig:

it was. Yeah. I mean, that's, it's like, ah,

Alan Carroll:

yeah, that's big. And it was

Laurin Wittig:

it was a life changing lesson for me to go

Laurin Wittig:

through that process, and, and I knew I was smart enough, I had

Laurin Wittig:

learned enough about spirituality know that there was

Laurin Wittig:

a reason we were still in that kind of locked together place.

Laurin Wittig:

And that she wasn't going to go until I got the lesson. And I

Laurin Wittig:

got the lesson and there wasn't long before she passed. And

Laurin Wittig:

yeah, so it's, it's been, it's been lovely to be able to look

Laurin Wittig:

back on her and admire what she did in the world. Because she

Laurin Wittig:

did, she did a ton of really good stuff. But I couldn't see

Laurin Wittig:

it for all my own crap. So yeah, so forgiveness is hard. But it

Laurin Wittig:

is such a healing thing for both parties. That it's worth working

Laurin Wittig:

on.

Alan Carroll:

I'm I forgiveness. I asked myself, Why can't the

Alan Carroll:

the ego forgive? And in the Course of Miracles, they spend

Alan Carroll:

quite a bit of time talking about forgiveness. Okay. And

Alan Carroll:

they say why, why we why the ego can't forgive is because it

Alan Carroll:

would entail a, an undeserved sacrifice of my righteous wrath.

Alan Carroll:

Yes, it would, it would be a gift that's undeserved and

Alan Carroll:

unjustified. It would be a complete denial of the truth.

Alan Carroll:

And, and so I live in that, that that frame of reality and that,

Alan Carroll:

that creates my identity. And for me to let that go, would

Alan Carroll:

would would dissolve a piece of the psychological identity that

Alan Carroll:

I've identified myself have to be. And my ego is not in the

Alan Carroll:

dissolving business. Right ego is in the holding on preserving

Alan Carroll:

and defending my point of view business. Right and forgiveness.

Alan Carroll:

So so when you when you forgave your mother, your mother

Alan Carroll:

transformed in your eyes. Yeah. And transform for her. Yes. And

Alan Carroll:

that is said, That's happiness. So happiness is something about

Alan Carroll:

inside of you first and not forget trying to change the

Alan Carroll:

world out there. It's just focus on the thoughts that you use to

Alan Carroll:

paint that world in your mind.

Laurin Wittig:

Right? Yeah, yeah, it's, um, it is a simple

Laurin Wittig:

thing that is very hard to do. But it gets easier as you as I

Laurin Wittig:

think, for me, at least as I've moved down my spiritual path

Laurin Wittig:

and, and really worked on opening up my heart and

Laurin Wittig:

understanding a lot more about how how the universe works,

Laurin Wittig:

because it works in vast and mysterious and wonderful ways.

Laurin Wittig:

And it helps me to understand that there's always a reason for

Laurin Wittig:

something. There's always something for me, and whatever's

Laurin Wittig:

going on. And especially if it's pissing me off, it's like,

Laurin Wittig:

dammit, what did what do I need to learn from this? So it's,

Laurin Wittig:

yeah, it's, it's, it's a it's a wonderful thing to do for

Laurin Wittig:

yourself and for those around you. And then that ripples out

Laurin Wittig:

to the world. Yep. Because if I'm no longer in this kind of

Laurin Wittig:

icky energy, I'm not putting that out in the world anymore.

Laurin Wittig:

For one thing, or not, not often. But now the other person,

Laurin Wittig:

my mother, in this case, also wasn't putting that out to the

Laurin Wittig:

world because she didn't have to anymore. Right? And then

Laurin Wittig:

energies like water, it's like when you drop a pebble in the in

Laurin Wittig:

a lake, and the ripples go out and out and out and out. You're

Laurin Wittig:

changing the world just by opening up your heart and

Laurin Wittig:

letting go of

Alan Carroll:

it. Isn't that sweet?

Laurin Wittig:

In that sweet? Yeah, it's, it's easy. And when

Laurin Wittig:

you think about it, to change the world, if you understand

Laurin Wittig:

that it starts with your own really starts with your own

Laurin Wittig:

heart, the energy of that,

Alan Carroll:

right, I'm I, I understand the the the idea of

Alan Carroll:

the saying is, God cannot do for you, what God cannot do through

Alan Carroll:

you. And if you allow yourself to be a channel for the

Alan Carroll:

spiritual energy and not judging it and not resisting it, I'm not

Alan Carroll:

ready. I'm not old enough. I haven't meditated enough. I'm

Alan Carroll:

not worthy. This I'm not worthy. I'm a victim, who am I to think

Alan Carroll:

that I can heal? But if I believe that I'm a divine being,

Alan Carroll:

and an energy form called the physical body, manifesting in

Alan Carroll:

this spiritual point in time than I will allow, why would I

Alan Carroll:

not practice forgiveness in every moment of my life? For the

Alan Carroll:

in Christianity, they talk about salvation, and salvation is the

Alan Carroll:

forgiveness of sin. And so the forgiveness of your mother is

Alan Carroll:

there some sort of wrongness in there, and when you forgive it,

Alan Carroll:

the wrongness dissolves and it dissolves inside of you. And you

Alan Carroll:

become a channel of the light. Yeah, and you're you are a

Alan Carroll:

channel you are a channel of light. Yeah,

Laurin Wittig:

that's exactly what I've experienced. And I

Laurin Wittig:

love it. I love it. I know that I can light things up. Yeah, I

Laurin Wittig:

can it's I have been called enlightenment and all of that.

Laurin Wittig:

Yes, enlightenment

Alan Carroll:

called enlightenment. You're an

Alan Carroll:

enlightened being you are you are in the enlightenment

Alan Carroll:

business. You are enlightening other people you are reducing

Alan Carroll:

the pain, reducing the heaviness and we are throwing things off

Alan Carroll:

the hot air balloon has the basket when you want to make it

Alan Carroll:

go higher. You throw the ballast off. So that makes it lighter

Alan Carroll:

and lighter and lighter. So that's the what? Drop the

Alan Carroll:

sandbags drop to sandbags. And so then revealing and vulnerable

Alan Carroll:

and sharing stories and letting go of the of the sand bags of

Alan Carroll:

their thoughts. It frees up some level of their consciousness and

Alan Carroll:

they are able to experience a much more joyful place in

Alan Carroll:

consciousness, a healing place in consciousness. And I refer to

Alan Carroll:

it as mindfulness mindfulness is that that space in consciousness

Alan Carroll:

in which you have been practicing, throwing the

Alan Carroll:

sandbags throwing the sandbags off, and so you get lighter and

Alan Carroll:

lighter and lighter and lighter and your being and joy and

Alan Carroll:

happiness and love. But you don't have to wait for it to

Alan Carroll:

happen to you. You can make it happen right now. Yeah, for

Alan Carroll:

yourself. Just start. Just start loving this Start joyful just

Alan Carroll:

start smiling and sharing yourself and being vulnerable.

Alan Carroll:

And

Laurin Wittig:

yeah, and here's, here's just a little tip. For

Laurin Wittig:

the listeners, if you're not super aware of what's going on

Laurin Wittig:

within you, I'm gonna get back to traffic because it's one of

Laurin Wittig:

those things we all share. If you notice that you're getting

Laurin Wittig:

that you like your maybe your throats tightening up, or you're

Laurin Wittig:

getting that that cramp in your stomach that you get when you

Laurin Wittig:

kind of anxious or mad or break up for me for years, because of

Laurin Wittig:

menopause, I would break out into a heavy sweat anytime I got

Laurin Wittig:

angry. Notice that, notice the physical, because your body is

Laurin Wittig:

telling you what's going on. And it's a wonderful way to start

Laurin Wittig:

noticing. Yes, we are usually aware of those things that don't

Laurin Wittig:

feel good in our body. We don't understand them. But it's a

Laurin Wittig:

communication. The body is a communicator for us. And so

Laurin Wittig:

that's just that's where I start. And I do it in traffic. I

Laurin Wittig:

get to those stoplight I'm like, Oh my gosh, oh, yeah, that feels

Laurin Wittig:

very, very good. Okay, take a breath. Yep. Think of a new

Laurin Wittig:

story that puts that person in a in a good light, or, or maybe

Laurin Wittig:

that person is just having a bad day. And I just need to send

Laurin Wittig:

them a little love and compassion. And that's fun to do

Laurin Wittig:

for people actually. Let me just light up your day.

Alan Carroll:

That's nice. That's something you could do.

Alan Carroll:

You don't experience the effect of it. But you think that you

Alan Carroll:

know what if I just send that person some light and love, I

Alan Carroll:

wonder if that will add that ripple into the into the field

Alan Carroll:

of awareness?

Laurin Wittig:

Yeah, yeah. I and, and you were talking about

Laurin Wittig:

smiling at people, I love to go, I probably told you this story,

Laurin Wittig:

or this thing that I do when we talked on my podcast, but I love

Laurin Wittig:

in mostly the grocery store or target where I'm standing in

Laurin Wittig:

line for a while I like to just smile at people, they light up

Laurin Wittig:

or I'll turn around and go, Hey, you have a nice day. Or Gee,

Laurin Wittig:

that looks like a good good thing to buy. That's I should

Laurin Wittig:

have thought of that. Just an upbeat conversation of you know,

Laurin Wittig:

30 seconds or less Yes. Or just a smile. And it changes the

Laurin Wittig:

demeanor it changes the energy you wine. And

Alan Carroll:

everybody can do that. Yeah, I did a program with

Alan Carroll:

Lou Tice investment and excellence. And he said you're

Alan Carroll:

You're a wizard, and you have the power to put a smile on

Alan Carroll:

people's faces. You have a power to bring light to people. What

Alan Carroll:

do you mean by that? If you're in Target, talk to the lady or

Alan Carroll:

the person that is checking out? Who's just checking out checking

Alan Carroll:

out, just have a conversation with the person and smile and

Alan Carroll:

and can you make the person smile? Can you make the person

Alan Carroll:

change their state of consciousness? And you'll notice

Alan Carroll:

that it's easy. Yeah, it's easy to change someone state, but you

Alan Carroll:

have to want to do it. And, and so you now have created a flower

Alan Carroll:

in your garden too. So it's like, wow, they're a flower. Now

Alan Carroll:

you got a flower in your garden. And you you created it.

Laurin Wittig:

And it feels so good to do that for somebody

Laurin Wittig:

else. Oh, yeah. And then that just opens you up even more, you

Laurin Wittig:

know, so it's a win win. I'm gonna consciously do this to

Laurin Wittig:

lift you up. And look, I feel so good for doing it. Oh, yeah,

Laurin Wittig:

it's just

Alan Carroll:

old. Children. You know, kids are easy, because

Alan Carroll:

they're not defensive. Adults are a little bit weird. But kids

Alan Carroll:

that you can just, you can, you can smile and have fun with

Alan Carroll:

kids, they're more open. And it's sort of sad sometimes to

Alan Carroll:

see children that are so condensed that they are frozen,

Alan Carroll:

they can't allow that spontaneity because of some

Alan Carroll:

something that's, you know, happened in their life. So I'm,

Alan Carroll:

I really like the, the idea of what what you're talking about

Alan Carroll:

with, with letting go and forgiveness and mindfulness and

Alan Carroll:

being aware and it fits very well into our journey, our

Alan Carroll:

journey for mindfulness. I very much appreciate Lauren, all the

Alan Carroll:

all the wisdom that you have given our audience today, as a

Alan Carroll:

as a as a being as a being of the light. So it's fun to see

Alan Carroll:

someone who's actually taken that abstract space and brought

Alan Carroll:

it down into the physical and is able to use the use that energy.

Alan Carroll:

They call it divine energy and bring it down into this this

Alan Carroll:

plane of existence and use it for healing. If folks wanted to

Alan Carroll:

follow up with you and connect with you and read your books and

Alan Carroll:

go and lie on the table and have those spiritual experiences. How

Alan Carroll:

does one connect with you?

Laurin Wittig:

Well, the best the easiest places to go to my

Laurin Wittig:

website which is heart light joy.com I'm, and everything can

Laurin Wittig:

be found through there, the books are there, you can book an

Laurin Wittig:

appointment with me through that website, I do a free call if you

Laurin Wittig:

just want to call and see if you want to work with me, I love

Laurin Wittig:

talking to you. And there's no requirement that you work with

Laurin Wittig:

me. Alan knows I love to talk about this stuff. And then

Laurin Wittig:

there's also I have if you go to the website, and there'll be a

Laurin Wittig:

pop up that comes up where you get an opportunity to sign up

Laurin Wittig:

for my newsletter, if you do that, you get a free PDF

Laurin Wittig:

download for me, that is, go figure, Lauren's top three ways

Laurin Wittig:

to communicate with your guides. So it's, that's my free, my free

Laurin Wittig:

gift for you, I should just say gifts, because gifts are free,

Laurin Wittig:

right. And so I invite you to do that. And yeah, and I will be

Laurin Wittig:

bringing out a course, very soon, it's almost ready to

Laurin Wittig:

launch. That is a more extensive, deep dive into

Laurin Wittig:

working with your guides into learning how to communicate with

Laurin Wittig:

them. And so if you're interested in that, keep an eye

Laurin Wittig:

out for it. If you're on the newsletter, you'll hear about it

Laurin Wittig:

when it gets released. So

Alan Carroll:

wonderful. So just go ahead and say your your

Alan Carroll:

website again.

Laurin Wittig:

It's heart light, Joy. So heart like in your chest

Laurin Wittig:

light, like you turn it on and enjoy that wonderful

Alan Carroll:

dotcom Wonderful. Well, Lauren has been a

Alan Carroll:

pleasure, once again, to be able to share your experiences with

Alan Carroll:

our audience and have a conversation, to expand the

Alan Carroll:

lights and bring it down for everyone. So that we can use the

Alan Carroll:

mindfulness and the spirituality which is within everybody, to to

Alan Carroll:

transform our experience of living to reduce the

Alan Carroll:

psychological suffering, and allow us to have a more joyful

Alan Carroll:

existence and happiness on this life.

Laurin Wittig:

Yeah, we can change the world. We can

Laurin Wittig:

literally change the world for the better.

Alan Carroll:

So you're you're a game changer for the world.

Alan Carroll:

Well, thank you, Lauren. Thank you ally. Bye bye now.

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Alan Carroll

Alan Carroll is an Educational Psychologist who specializes in Transpersonal Psychology. He founded Alan Carroll & Associates 30 years ago and before that, he was a Senior Sales Training Consultant for 10 years at Digital Equipment Corporation. He has dedicated his life in search of mindfulness tools that can be used by everyone (young and old) to transform their ability to speak at a professional level, as well as, to reduce the psychological suffering caused by the misidentification with our ego and reconnect to the vast transcendent dimension of consciousness that lies just on the other side of the thoughts we think and in between the words we speak.