Episode 39

Journey Of The Unseen: Navigating The Spiritual Realms And Embracing Inner Guidance With Beau Maxwell

On this episode of Mindful You, Alan Carroll interviews professional medium and spiritual coach Beau Maxwell. Beau explains how it feels to encounter spirit and how she always had a feeling she had an ability to see things others couldn’t. Maxwell didn’t have her first spiritual encounter until she was 32 years old after her grandmother died. Alan and Beau speak about the things that physical eyes cannot see and the beautiful path to mindfulness.

About The Guest:

Isabeau “Beau” Maxwell is a professional medium and leading spiritual coach in intuitive development and empowerment. She is the founder of the award winning intuitive development course, The SAGE Method and the author of the best-selling book Cracking Open: Adventures of a Reluctant Medium. She spent the first portion of her life as a skeptic. One eye-opening event back in 2005 engaged her on her spiritual journey. Today she works with amazing students around the globe to help them open their natural intuitive abilities and live their fullest life.

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About Alan:

Alan Carroll is an Educational Psychologist who specializes in Transpersonal Psychology. He founded Alan Carroll & Associates 30 years ago and before that, he was a Senior Sales Training Consultant for 10 years at Digital Equipment Corporation. He has dedicated his life in search of mindfulness tools that can be used by everyone (young and old) to transform their ability to speak at a professional level, as well as, to reduce the psychological suffering caused by the misidentification with our ego and reconnect to the vast transcendent dimension of consciousness that lies just on the other side of the thoughts we think and in between the words we speak.

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Transcript
Alan Carroll:

Hello, everybody. And welcome to the mindful you

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podcast where we traveled down various metaphysical paths that

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has been explored by our guest. My name is Alan Carroll. And I

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have been a student of mindfulness and meditation for

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many, many, many, many years. And I am pleased to bring to you

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today, bol Maxwell, she lives down in the southern parts of

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Colorado, place called Durango. And she describes her work her

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point of service as the results of being a very down to earth

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mathematics major, follow the directions point by point by

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point. And this metaphysical woowoo stuff. Nah, that's not,

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that's not real stuff. That's not real science. She had an

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experience, though, that she shares with us, that changed the

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whole thing. When her grandmother died 1000s of miles

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away, almost instantaneously appearing before her for three

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or four seconds, was the experience of her grandmother

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being present with her. She says it was like maybe like 70%,

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solid 10% 30% sort of waves and but there was definitely her

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grandmother, it was definitely she wore something. And that

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really woke her up to a an experience that there was

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something other than the physical reality, there was also

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a metaphysical reality. And so she began to explore it, she

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began to work in that area. And she developed a a methodology

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that she shares with us, called the sage method, where she, over

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a certain period of time, you develop that intuitive muscle

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inside of you that mindfulness muscle, that space of, of

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unknowing, and being in that space, and sharing the results

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and experiences of that space. And so it's exciting for me to

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be able to bring to you this wonderful, clarity. Also when

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she speaks she she speaks with a sense of I have experienced it.

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And I can clearly articulate what I experienced. And so I'm

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sure you'll be as impressed as I am with our guest, Bo Maxwell.

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And please welcome her to the mindful you. Podcast. Welcome,

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Paul Maxwell, to the mindful you podcast. I am happy to see you

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and excited to have you share your stories with our audience,

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as you have journey down your paths of mindfulness and

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spirituality, in that. I call it almost like the healing arts

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business. It's everything is everyone seems to be end up

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being teachers and healers and different names, but it's

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something to do with healing and teaching. So I'd like to open up

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the microphone and have you come on up and share your little

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background ball of what events worked like Wake Up Calls that

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really caused you to say, Whoa, something has happened in here

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that I wasn't aware of. And you began to explore that space. So

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I'd like to open it up and have you share a little bit of your

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story. Absolutely,

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absolutely. I I really had a shift in life.

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Absolute shift. And like I love how you say everyone becomes,

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you know, teachers, coaches, mentors, things like this. I

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think that's such an important part of bringing community back

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together. So thank you for having me here. Now, my journey

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was a little different, just in the sense that up until 32 years

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old, I was a complete I was a complete Scout Did I wasn't

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actively pushing skepticism or trying to prove anyone wrong, I

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just didn't have any time, or or interest in religion or

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spirituality or anything that was invisible. Anything that

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fell into that category that didn't fit the science mold for

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me, just wasn't real. There was there was a way. And to the

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point where Alan I was a, I was a math major in college like

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this was how I functioned. You know, I ran businesses and such.

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So 32 years old. I've got two small kids, and I'm on one side

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of the country and my grandmother's on the other side,

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and, and sadly, she passed. Now I was on the phone with the

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family, I was very close to my grandmother. And I was on the

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phone with the family. They were in the actual hospice room with

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her. So she was surrounded by family, and I couldn't be there.

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But I could at least listen and be present. She passed, I hung

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up the phone, my family said, Roll run to the store for snacks

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for you and give you a minute. I was like, thank you. It was the

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middle of the day. And I remember standing in the living

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room, feeling like I was going to absolutely just fall apart.

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We knew it was coming. Everyone understands this process of

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grief. But I was standing there and I thought, well, maybe I'll

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maybe I'll look for airline tickets instead. Right, maybe

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I'll distract myself. And I'm standing there. And she showed

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up right in the middle of the living room. And right in front

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of me too. I know that a lot of us we catch things out of the

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corner of our eye and I get that question quite often did it did

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she wish out of the corner of your eye and she was right in

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front of me. She was about 70% solid. So there was no way that

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I could brush that off or deny that that was happening. And

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we're talking standard cream colored apartment cream colored

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floor cream walls, like and then she's right there. I remember

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jumping backwards. And it was a panic at first because this was

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not in any realm or concept that I would even entertained. And I

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remember saying to her if that was you don't do that again. And

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then I remember feeling bad that I said that.

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Again, you said to yourself, I said out

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loud. If that was you don't do that again.

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Oh, to scare you like that. You just

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don't even do this as I don't want anything to do with

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this. And that was my reactive reaction to it was sort of a

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stop. No. And then. And then she when she left. She was there for

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probably three seconds. So not long enough to engage in any

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sort of conversation. She winked at me. She smiled. Now I know

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that she thought she was cute as a button when she did it. But at

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the time, it was really frightening. And so I sat down,

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calm down by the time. By the time I calmed down, I was

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sitting on the floor leaning up against the wall, because I

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don't know for some reason the wall was you know, nothing can

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get you behind a wall, right, whatever. So I was running

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through all of the pop culture movies in my head. And I just I

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told myself, it's grief. You just manifested a hallucination,

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it's grief. It's fine. Didn't say anything, went to bed. The

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next morning, over breakfast, my husband at the time said, you

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know, had the super realistic dream of your grandmother. And

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this is what she was wearing. And it was exactly what she was

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wearing when she was in the living room the night before the

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day before. And I thought okay, then I started to feel these

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almost roller coaster rushes that would go through my body

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that I had never felt before. And I found the one person that

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I thought I could talk to around spirituality and it happened to

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be a local Tai Chi instructor that I didn't even really know.

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And I remember going up to him and saying, you know, and he's

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such a kind man, because while imagine this coming at you, but

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I remember walking in saying okay, you're the strangest

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person I know. Can you help me? And we laugh about that. Now we

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laugh about the inappropriate way I approached him now but I

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didn't know what to do my circle of friends. nothing not even

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remotely close. And he helped me he helped me with yes and no

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intuition. And I started to communicate with her

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that's certainly a a, a different pattern.

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Different you live in a world of mathematics, logic, organized

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1234 kind of thing and all of a sudden this this mess The

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physical experience appears. And the immediate the immediate

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reaction that sounds like was haven't seen anything like this

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before. I need to protect myself. So you step back from

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fear. But then when your grandmother winked and smile,

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which you can remember now, she was just giving you a a

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blessing.

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Absolutely. Goodbye. Yeah.

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It isn't, as I say it, I feel the blessing of your

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grandma, as it as it comes through you in this moment,

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because there's something about the timelessness and time and

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that event is happening right now. Yeah. What do you mean?

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Well, I feel something right now. And you're sharing your

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story about your grandmother, which wasn't there before you

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started to share your story about your grandmother? And to

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me, that is a channeling of energy that's available for you

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to, you know, bring that to other people. Absolutely. And

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it's a little challenging to explain that timeless time

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versus timeless space, where everything is already have

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everything is right now. And I would love to have you if you

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want to take a shot at explaining the timeless

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dimension versus the time dimension that the ego lives in.

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How does that sound?

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Oh, absolutely. When I started to, I asked for proof

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moving forward, I didn't see her again right away. And I kept

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pushing her for proof. She eventually gave it to me. And I

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think some of that helped me to relax in once I relaxed, and I

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started to communicate more with other spirits. Spirit guides,

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and I started working with my main teaching guide at the time,

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this was like 18 years ago. And he taught me about linear time.

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And once I grasped the concept of linear time, it opened up so

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many doors, way beyond anything that mathematics could have ever

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even invited me into. And I think that when we understand

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our reality here on linear linear time, that part of the

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purpose why we're here is to anchor into linear time. It

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really shifts our perspective, it does a whole lot of things

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for us, it helps us to understand that yes, on the

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other side, there's not linear time, which means our higher

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self isn't watching necessarily over us every day, Tuesday,

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Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, like we're experiencing. For the

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higher self perspective, it chooses to have a life sends the

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life down and the life comes back up. And it collects all the

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information. Because everything that has happened in that life,

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everything that will happen, has already happened. It's the act

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of putting ourselves into the physical body. That is the

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anchoring into this timeline. And when that happens, it

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disconnects us from being able to see that full vision of the

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entirety, and the deeper purpose of the whole entirety of one

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lifetime. This is where spirit guides are very helpful, our

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loved ones, our ancestors, we can even say on the other side,

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it's very helpful to communicate with. This is why I'm so

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passionate helping people to open up to their intuition.

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Because we're not alone on this linear timeline, we might have

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popped ourselves into a physical body in order to be in it on

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purpose. But we have guides we have teams we have, you know,

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the essence of our higher self that knows everything that's

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going to happen as well, that we can tap into and ask for insight

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and guidance through our intuitive channels. So it was

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really important for me to learn, you know the difference

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between linear time and nonlinear time because linear

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time is this just delicious gift that we have here.

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The you are talking about the if I wanted to

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catch the thoughts, we have the present being present in the

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moment. And in mindfulness. One of the characteristics of

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mindfulness is the ability to be present without labeling

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anything but as judging anything with no concepts. There's no

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There's no I know what that is. I know what that is. I know what

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that is. And and, and I was listening to Lucy talk about the

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that he called it a a potential. It's like always is like a

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creative potential where you can do whatever you want, and you're

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not. You're not being controlled by the conditioning of your

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past. You're able to To be present by sort of, in the

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moment able to erase all all the thoughts and all the judgments,

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and just look at the empty space where everything just is. And so

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I'm interested in, in having you talk about that, too. I wanted

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you also, before I forget, I wanted you to talk about the

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Okay. Spirit guides? What's, how do I out here in the middle of

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nowhere, get a spirit guide to help me bridge the gap between

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the time dimension and the timeless metaphysical dimension?

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Where am I being? Are my are my spirit lives? So practical sips?

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So take a shot at those questions.

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Well, for the first question, what really bubbles up

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for me is how we hold ourselves in this existence. And this is

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where opening up our intuition and becoming mindful getting

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into that centered space. That is an observational position.

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And when we are purposely being in an observational position, we

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have more control over the wheel. So my analogy for this

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would be the physical body is like a car, our spiritual body

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is the driver of the car, or at the very least just sitting in

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the car. As we grow up. We are We are told where our car goes,

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where the car should, should go, shouldn't go, how fast it should

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drive, how it should handle the road, the car is really that,

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that human existence of ourselves that this is how we

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act, this is what we do. This is all of our personal programming.

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And when you get into that observational perspective,

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through mindfulness, through tapping into your own intuitive

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source, you start to taste, you start to slide over from the

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passenger seat into the driver's seat, and you grab that wheel,

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and you're like, alright, well, I haven't driven this entire

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vehicle before, but now I am. And what happens for people at

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that point, it's First off, it's uncomfortable. You know, I'm old

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enough to barely remember learning how to drive but I

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still do. And it's it's an uncomfortable transition,

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sometimes in some ways. But once you get the hang of it, once you

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start to realize, Wow, I am creating, I am taking a left or

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a right I am deciding where I want this vehicle to go, I am

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manifesting and I am, you know, letting my path unfold the way I

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want it to unfold. Once you have that, more of that control over

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the wheel through mindfulness and observation, it becomes a

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little bit fun. I guess that's the way I want to say it, it's a

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little bit more enjoyable. It's a little bit more of, you know,

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I volunteered to do this. And now look at what's possible. And

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then the possibilities start to unfold and sign in. And what

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would this look like this would look like having more ease and

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manifesting, worrying with the mindfulness, worrying less about

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the past, worrying less about the future and being present in

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that that metaphorical vehicle. It looks like getting a lot of

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signs and starting to see the signs because before you were

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just sitting in the passenger seat and whoever was driving, it

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was just driving it and it was taught to drive on its own and

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go where it needed to go. But now you're paying attention to

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the signs, you're you're deciding where you want to go,

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and you're feeling what that feels like to actually drive

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your vehicle in this lifetime. It's very powerful. Now, people

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say, Well, if you know, the guides, and the higher self and

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such know everything that's already happened, isn't it

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already set in stone that we don't have free will, this is

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where math kind of intersects for me and I years back, after

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opening up, I dove really far into the mathematics of you know

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the universe and things like this and started to see the

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connections and how they lined up. And we really do have

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unlimited parallel. I don't know that I would want to say

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universes, but paths. And every choice we make we choose whether

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to go this path or that path. But all paths are available.

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Like all of them. There's a me that didn't get home and time to

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get online with you and miss the appointment and we rescheduled

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it you know what I mean? So all of those are all also happening

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as as well all at the same time. Those are just really hard to

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kind of conceptualize for ourselves. So the best thing we

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can do is get into that mindfulness, that center that

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you speak about, and be in that observational place where we

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have control over which paths we want to take just I hope that

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makes sense.

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Oh, um, you're talking to the choir here.

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I know that you understand mindfulness on such a

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deep level. I was like this, this will resonate. I And then

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the other question. Oh, the

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second question was, what's the second foot?

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What's the second question over there were exercises that we can

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do. Back to the go back to the question that you're answering

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right now. Yes, the you you said observational position was an

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observational position. And, and that, to me is a, it comes up a

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lot. People say it differently. Yet, you've what you're saying

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is that you're now observing something that you weren't

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observing before. And what you were observing before was

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unconscious, you weren't even aware of observing or not

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observing, then all of a sudden, you create psychologically

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metaphysically, you create the I call it the fifth element. The

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Fifth Element is space. The earth, air fire, and water is

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the physical world. And space is the metaphysical world. Well,

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what's that? Well, meditation and yoga halls are trying to

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create some space, because because if you can create the

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space, you can then observe, observe unless there's a space.

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And most people the ego doesn't create space to create ego

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creates, I want things to fill the space. And what you're

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saying is absolutely parallel, exactly what every guru I've

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ever mentioned, I've seen or felt, says, Hey, there's a space

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of observation, where you wake up and you realize that you can

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see the thought. But you don't have to be seduced by the

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thought. And you can choose what thought you want to think. And

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thoughts, creative thoughts are manifesting. So why don't we

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create it, you're, you are a divine being, and I'm a divine

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being, and we're sharing the divine love of the Lord between

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us right now. And that's the way it is. And it's like, what I can

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do that. If you can observe it, you can do it. So I'm, I clap my

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hands. I haven't I haven't heard it even expressed as clearly,

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you have a clarity to the, to the trumpet that you play. And

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it's a very, very nice to hear how you how you, you linked the

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sounds together and you you create because it's an abstract

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conversation? Absolutely is and having that math background just

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gives you a Trump to be able to play a play a better hand. So

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going back to the second question was, well, how can I

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contact my spirit guide?

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Spirit guides are absolutely wonderful thing,

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there was something that came up and I want to take take a moment

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to come back to it because I was really present with you. And

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then you said it. And I was like, I have to remember to

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think about this thoughts. There we go, I talked about the

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infinite number of paths that we can take at any point. That is

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the same thing as saying, there's infinite thoughts that

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we can choose to have. And I really wanted to hit that point

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for the listeners to go okay, now, I can see how I can access

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the paths, the paths are your thoughts and your choices. And

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when you when you I don't want to say control your thoughts,

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but choose them like you were speaking of, you're really

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choosing your path and then you're choosing the direction of

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what you want to manifest and bring into your life. So I just

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want to line that up. Because I was like, Wow, we got a one plus

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one is two here, says the math girl but

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as you choose, the thoughts are like bricks, and

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you choose what bricks you want to build in front of you. You

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want to build the eagle brick of me gets everything and you get

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nothing. All right, you can build that, that that temple,

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but that's a temple of pain. Or you can also build a brick in

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which you in which you practice love, compassion and joy in the

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way you speak and forgiveness and letting not holding on to

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grievances and and any spirit and experiencing that one. And

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now you've built a different reality for yourself. And this

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is a brick list reality in which there is no bricks, there is no

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walls, there is no one point of view anymore. You are you're the

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sky rather than the clouds. And to me, you talked about the you

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incarnate into the body and you start to have a one perspective

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and then when you dis incarnate that's the right word. All of a

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sudden you have a universal awareness of of at all that

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you're just you're the all with everything rather than just

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something in the space of the all you are the All who I am i

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Well, yeah, no. And so

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yeah, you can touch that just gently during your

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lifetime as well. The way that I explained it to my students is

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there's Three bodies that you have you got the physical body,

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we know what that is, you have the spiritual body, which is

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your spirit, your soul, we know what that is. And then you have

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what's called the programming body. That is your mental mind,

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your tendencies, the the training, the it's the brain,

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it's, it's, this is how I do things. It's not the

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personality, but it is the programming in this agreed upon

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reality, my programming mind says that my name is Bo, that

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I'm five foot six, you know, like these, this is what the

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program body does. So another way to approach this

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observational point of view, when you're when you're still

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here in the in a meditation type state, is to, in some way,

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Picture those three bodies and pull back from that eye and, and

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pull into the spirit and look through spirit eyes, instead of

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programmed eyes, look through spirit eyes, instead of the

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physical eyes, and see where that brings you in your in your

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mindfulness practices.

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So there are three bodies, we're talking about the

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physical body, we're talking about the spiritual body. And

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then we got into the what came up for me was your conditioned

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body, the body that tells you this is right, this is wrong,

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this is good, this is bad. It tells you it tells you it

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describes everything, it tells you what so about everything.

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And that to me is your the thoughts inside your head, the

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voice inside your head. Yes, and when and when you can create the

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space there, air rates, the space and air if you have the

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cold, the the soil is hard and compact, and, and, and doesn't

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doesn't grow anything. But when you can aerate it, and air and

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space, it allows it to breathe and receive oxygen. And in to

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me, just off the top of my head. That's the big benefit of

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meditation. Meditation is the aeration of the thoughts that

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you think. And that just allows you to relax physically rely you

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talked about what are the characteristics? Definitely,

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when you begin to practice, space creation, or breathing or

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yoga or whatever you have these times where you become present

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in a wave of relaxation comes through you. And that to me is

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an indicator that you're going in the right direction.

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Absolutely,

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absolutely. It's a very powerful way of being. And I

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remember working with a student who struggled and pulling back

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from that, that programming mind the the conditioning, pulling

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back from that. Because when you're in that programming mind,

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when you're in the very human state, you're being pulled and

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you're constantly going with the poll, left, right, left, right,

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left, right, and you got to pull back in order to take a breath,

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give yourself that space. And I remember we we were talking and

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my big thing is, is come up with creative ways for yourself to

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try to achieve these things that you're trying to achieve. It

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usually happens faster than following step by step. And we

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were coming up with a creative way for her to kind of get out

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of that. And she said, You know what my programming mind is a

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kid. It's a 10 year old. And I'm my spirit is me and I am the

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adults. And I'm going to love that 10 year old. And that

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perspective shift for her just was huge. And then what she was

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able to do is pull back and see what was working and what wasn't

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working for the programming mind that the, you know, the what's

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the word have you used before that was so great that the

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training, you know,

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and I said it was mentioning the condition

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that's the word she was able to pull back from the

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conditioning see the conditioning from the

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perspective of her being the grown adult and her conditioned

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self being a younger version of her and she was able to parent

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that younger version love that younger version, but even

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better. In time we talked about this again and she was able to

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step into that younger version when she wanted to. When she was

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at an amusement park with her kids. She wanted to go on the

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roller coaster she did you know what I mean? Like she let

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herself be fully human in those times that she really wanted to

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be human. So it's when people can reach that balancing act of

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don't let go of being here. We're here for a reason. And

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please absorb all of the deep experiences that come from this

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earth base linear time. But also give yourself the ability to be

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able to kind of pull back from that and see it with more

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clarity.

Alan Carroll:

Absolutely. The image comes to mind is Sadhguru

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talked about a frying pan and he said some frying pans are made

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with Teflon and some frying pans are made with no Teflon. And so

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you you want to experience everything but don't get stuck

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With anything, allow that allow it to flow through. And what

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happens is people get something that rewards that conditioning.

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And now they want to keep it. And, and of course, you know, in

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Buddhism, they talk about everything is impermanent. So

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your your desire to hold on to stop playing is like holding on

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to a bunch of sand in your hand, and you grip it, but that just

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drips and that creates the suffering that people feel

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because if I've identified myself as something that's

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disappearing, then I don't feel very good. However, the idea of

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the of the observation is, you can see the thoughts you can see

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the emotions, but you're not the thoughts. You're not the

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emotions, you're the observer, the witness, they're the the

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empty space of nothingness, and is extremely relaxed. And out of

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that space comes compassion, calm, because you see other

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people gripping the sand and you say, Hey, you don't have to do

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that. You don't have to grip the sand. I want a group to say no,

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I need to say,

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I need the sand. Yes, absolutely. I will say that

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before opening. Intuitively, I was far less compassionate than

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I am today. And you know, there's, there's no shame in

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that, it's, it's a wonderful thing to like, step forward in

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your life and look back and go, Wow, I've come a really long

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way. I would go back again, there's a lot of bumps that came

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with it. Because when you decide to step into this mindfulness

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space, you start to see things and become aware of things, your

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patterns, the patterns around you, who's around you, and those

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things are uncomfortable, and to anyone listening, please keep

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going, please, please keep going. Because there is light on

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the other side of that, and push through that discomfort. If you

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have the discomfort from awareness, you're already there,

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you've already got your 95% there, you just got to take that

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next step. And there was a lot of those that were uncomfortable

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in the transition of, you know, where I was to where I am today.

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But I do it over and over again, I will do it over and over

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again, I find such joy in my life. Now. I didn't know how

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much joy I didn't have, if that makes sense.

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The space of mindfulness is where the joy and

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the bliss and the relaxation and the Buddha nature, because

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Buddha is above the intellect. So you're going beyond the

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thoughts that you think. And in India, they have something

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called a mukti. And Mukti is the Enlightenment is the idea of

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there's the thoughts that you think. And then is there another

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space on the other side of the thoughts that you think and

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mindfulness for me is the journey to realize that I'm not

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I'm not the cloud, I'm the on the on the on the on the sky, at

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the like the cloud go rather than cling to the cloud, and

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into me. And of course I'm if we're going to solve any of the

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issues that are facing us in this moment. Now with all the

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stuff coming at you. It there's a constant stirring up of the

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thoughts in your watch that I was watching the news last

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night. The other night, I don't usually watch the news. I was

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visiting somebody and my watching the six o'clock news of

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the major televisions what they wanted us to see. Yeah, actually

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physically made me I was becoming a little sick,

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physically is like this is just doesn't taste good at all. Why

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are they showing me these things? I don't want to see it.

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And so mindfulness, the breathing. So this before we

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complete, let's let's go, let's go for what can I do to become

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more mindful and to contact my spirits guides? Is there a

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suggestion about a practice I can do or a place or a book,

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something open up and allow me to further go down that path?

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Yes, I would absolutely love to share that I share this

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with anyone that I can. Because it's a it's easier than we think

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it is. And we've got a lot of pop culture telling us that

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these strong intuitives are quote, gifted and unusual and

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that other people are not as intuitive and that it cannot be

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further from the truth. Intuition is absolutely natural.

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I've taught 10s of 1000s of people across the globe and just

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watched people open up so it's not it's not a special thing now

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with the guides. In general guides are sometimes loved ones

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who have been here with you and then crossed over and watched

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over you from the other side. But guides on the other side are

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part of what I call like our soul group. And they might not

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have come down in this lifetime with you, but maybe they've been

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in other lifetimes with you. And it's their job to watch over

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your path, you make the decisions on the general feel

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for what you want to happen in your life, time you create the

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blueprint, but when you're here on Earth is when you filled all

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of the blueprint details in but your guides on the other side,

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who are not limited by linear time, they know the direction

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you're headed, and they know the best way for you to go. They're

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going to show signs and try to assist you in getting there. So

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we all have them. And we have different guides at different

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times, depending on what we're going through in our lifetime.

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Sometimes we have a guide that's with us for our entire life,

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sometimes we have a guide that's with us for just a portion of

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it. There's no set number of guides, there's no really rules

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or regulations on it. That's a very kind of limited linear

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timeline thought process, with a certain number and certain

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timing. So stay open to who who might come through put it that

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way. Now, in connecting with them. I asked people to think in

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terms of a concept, what we're looking for intuitively is in

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between the molecules, what we're looking for intuitively is

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in between the solid. And right back to what I was mentioning

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before, when you see something out of the corner of your eye,

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and you turn to look at it, you don't see it when you turn to

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look at it. And I can tell you exactly why. It's because when

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you turn to look at it, your physical eyes are searching

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physical objects around you, you are focusing on the material,

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you are focusing on the solid and you're focusing on the

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molecules. What you saw out of your peripheral, which by the

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way, is blurred, is not focused, is D focused. As a matter of

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fact, that is what's in the in between, that's actually what

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you're looking to see. So intuition, spirit guides, loved

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ones messages. It's not in the material world. So my number one

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piece of advice to people who are going to start using their

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intuition is Sit down sit between you and a blank wall.

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And you know nothing on the wall preferably, and allow your gaze

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to D focus. When your eyesight is focused on something you are

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in this material world, you are not going to get intuitive

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information. When your eyes are relaxed, you open up to the

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spaces in between the material that is source that is and

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there's a whole bunch of different words for that all

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across the globe. But in essence, that is source that is

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where everything that we're trying to connect with is

Alan Carroll:

well, let's go down that one. Okay, yes, the

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eye I do. The way I the way I play mindfulness in order to

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find that molecule, the empty space between the molecules is I

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train speakers. I train speakers. I give them one tool.

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And they've never used the tool before. But if you can practice

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the tool, you will transform your ability to speak. And

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they'll also accelerate you down that path of mindfulness. And

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the tool is to realize that this that, that you may not control

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the thoughts that you think. But you can control the thoughts

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that you speak. So I can control the timing of my speaking. So

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when I speak, I speak I speak and then there's these empty

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spaces of not speaking, called the pause. And so I take the

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thing, and I tell people that as you create that space between

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the molecules between the sound bites between the vibration of

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the sound bubble, you touch the infinite because there's nothing

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in that space. And you're no you're you're no longer a bubble

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in the ocean, you become the ocean. And all you got to do is

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practice disrupting the automatic pattern of your

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condition speaking and that will free you from the from the grip

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of the of the ego, because that's what you're speaking for.

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You're speaking for your conditioned identity. And if you

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can consciously cut the cord of that pattern. You wake up from

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the dream and instead All right. From the very beginning, I wrote

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the word dream. Your grandmother appears it's almost like a

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dream. So so let's just so what I said about the space between

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the sounds, is that the same as the space between the molecules.

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That space is really everything that you and I have

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been connecting on in this session. It is this the space in

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between the pause, the observational view, they're all

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the same thing. Yeah, and exactly what you just you just

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worded it really eloquently when you said, I'm not gonna be able

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to, I stay so focused that then you go back to think about what

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the person said, and you can't grab the words that they used.

Alan Carroll:

My, my, my memory of, I hear what you're saying.

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Yeah. And I say, yep, that's exactly right. Unless I go in

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and stop and then say what I want to say that thought fades

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away. And so then I took I got a new thought. And so I noticed

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that the thoughts fade away, which is actually pretty cool.

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Because then you realize that the thoughts that don't fade

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away, you're feeding them and and Eckhart Tolle talked about

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the thoughts are our life support you give life support to

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your thoughts? Take life support away and those thoughts that you

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were manifesting? Yes, yes, appear. And that is available to

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everybody. Everybody can make thoughts disappear. But most

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people think the thoughts are real, and important, and gotta

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hold on to them. So

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invite yourself to break the pattern. That's kind

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of what what I was hearing from you earlier, talking about the

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pattern in the in the stopping it and breaking away from it.

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When it comes to intuition. Yep, the pattern is an expectation of

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seeing things the same way we see here the pattern is

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searching. When we're searching for something, we have a

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lifetime of training our eyes to land on different things to find

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what we're looking for. That's the pattern to break. If you

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want to start accessing your intuition, see, feel, hear,

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taste, smell different things that are coming through from

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source from guides, from loved ones, from however it comes

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through for you, you have to break that pattern, you have to

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stop yourself, catch yourself and say, I'm too focused, I need

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to relax my gaze, I need to give myself that space. I need to

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give myself that pause.

Alan Carroll:

Yep, that's wonderful. Let's see, I 100%

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agreement with the idea of, of when you start practicing it.

Alan Carroll:

Yeah. You don't think you don't take things personally too much

Alan Carroll:

anymore. And you have more fun, as you said, you're more at

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ease. You don't need to always be defending your opinion and

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point of view. As matter of fact. Now, it's rarely, you

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know, I is it really important to assert my opinion or my point

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of view about something. And so you're more relaxed in the

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moment. And I I think well, it affects you physically. Oh,

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yeah. The thoughts that you think create the physical body.

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And so if you think anger, thoughts, it creates dis easing

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kinds of things in your body. Is that also your experience?

Alan Carroll:

Absolutely.

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Absolutely. I have been healthier, overall, all around

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mentally, physically. All of that by following a spiritual

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path, really. And being present with myself and paying attention

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to myself. You know, I was I was raised in that stereotypical

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people pleasing type role. You know, I mean, I'm 50 I'm of that

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generation where you know, but you figure it out and it starts

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to feel good mind body and soul. And then you move toward what

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feels what feels right. And that space feels right. And it does

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it brings health.

Alan Carroll:

Yep. Yep. Physical health, emotional health and

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mental health and spiritual health. It's just a it's a it's

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a healthy lifestyle. To me. Well, thank you, boy, before we

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go, it if people want to connect and reach out and contact you,

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uh, we'll have the show notes available in the podcast also.

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Yet what are some of the ways that you can just tell us right

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now how we can reach out and connect with you? Well,

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we do a great job at Keeping everything in one place

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for people, it's the website. It's the sage method. So th e sh

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e method.com.

Alan Carroll:

Wonderful, wonderful. Well, sage, sage,

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well, that you you develop something called the sage

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method. Yes. Okay. So give me give me the give me the couple

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of sentences and then we'll complete

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the sage method as a seven week training course on

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opening up your intuition. It is what I did with those guides in

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the first couple of years of my own development. So if you can

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take someone like me and open me up to the level of intuition

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that I've been able to attain, the sage method course helps

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people do that for themselves as well.

Alan Carroll:

But perfect, the exactly in alignment with what

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we've been talking about, well, what can I do in order to

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strengthen those muscles? Well, this is a vehicle that you can

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ride in for seven sessions with with Bo and and expand expand

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your your intuition, which to me comes with that mindfulness,

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relaxation, melting into the nothingness all of a sudden you

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you get you get in touch with creativity and intuition and

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things that are just opening up and no longer suppressed and

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being held down. Sounds wonderfully well, Bo I obviously

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we have a wonderful conversation and talking with you is he's

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talking to a fellow traveler down down the path who has seen

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things and experience things very, very similar. And so it's

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been a fun and a joy to have the opportunity of meeting you and

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and having you sir and having you share your your sage wisdom

Alan Carroll:

with the mind for you, audience. Thank you so much for having me.

Alan Carroll:

And we'll say goodbye for now. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Alan Carroll is an Educational Psychologist who specializes in Transpersonal Psychology. He founded Alan Carroll & Associates 30 years ago and before that, he was a Senior Sales Training Consultant for 10 years at Digital Equipment Corporation. He has dedicated his life in search of mindfulness tools that can be used by everyone (young and old) to transform their ability to speak at a professional level, as well as, to reduce the psychological suffering caused by the misidentification with our ego and reconnect to the vast transcendent dimension of consciousness that lies just on the other side of the thoughts we think and in between the words we speak.