Episode 33

Unlocking Inner Light: Navigating Self-Awareness, Spiritual Connection, And Healing Through Mindful Empowerment With Denise Miceli

Alan speaks with inspiring empathic guide Denise Miceli on this week’s episode of Mindful You. Denise touches on how she came into the line of work she did and how she connected with the more spiritual side of life. We must allow the darkness in out lives for the light to come in. We must learn how to be in charge of our inner-selves. Denise believes we all the the ability to become self-aware. When we learn how to focus inwardly we become less reactionary.

About The Guest:

Denise Miceli is an inspiring empathic guide, coach, and mentor in creating space for change and positive growth. She is known for her talent in energy healing, intuitive hot-seat coaching, and teaching new ways of accessing authenticity. Denise feels called to share her strategies and methods of self-awareness through subconscious healing, meditation, breathwork, and body-mind release, for continual self-reflection and growth. Her lifelong love of learning and sharing knowledge in manageable bites allows learning to occur naturally. She holds a supportive container for those ready to heal and allow their soul the freedom to awaken their infinite potential.

After enduring a difficult dark night journey, Denise cleared traumatic memories and emotional patterns that blocked her authentic self using subconscious healing. She has since been inspired to share this excellent healing modality. Denise transformed her health coaching business into Rock Your Blocks intuitive life coaching in 2023 after 25 years of teaching and guiding individuals and groups in improvement, health, and wellness. She holds degrees in Mental Health, Leadership and is a certified MAP Practitioner and health coach.

She now joyfully creates and publishes articles, audio, video, and healing collectives to share, inspire, and engage others in healing, personal growth, spirituality, and creating the life of their dreams. She is a compassionate, empathic soul that has a finely tuned intuitive sense that embodies the work of helping others connect with their soul’s purpose.

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About Alan:

Alan Carroll is an Educational Psychologist who specializes in Transpersonal Psychology. He founded Alan Carroll & Associates 30 years ago and before that, he was a Senior Sales Training Consultant for 10 years at Digital Equipment Corporation. He has dedicated his life in search of mindfulness tools that can be used by everyone (young and old) to transform their ability to speak at a professional level, as well as, to reduce the psychological suffering caused by the misidentification with our ego and reconnect to the vast transcendent dimension of consciousness that lies just on the other side of the thoughts we think and in between the words we speak.

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Transcript
Alan Carroll:

Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another episode

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of the mindful U podcast. My name is Alan Carroll, I am your

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host. And today we will continue to explore that fascinating

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field of presence and mindfulness. Today's guest

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Denise Miceli describes herself as a body soul alignment guide.

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She has a phrase that she uses is rock, your blocks. Whatever

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are the blocks that stop you mentally, emotionally

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physically, from experiencing the those mindful states of

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consciousness, the less stressed the less anxiety, states of

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consciousness. She has a coaching program that takes

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people through a process that reduces and eliminates those

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blocks. And so that flow of energy comes through their body.

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Background is a lot of educational work in the public

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schools in New York City, rose up in the ranks, you know,

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teacher, Director, administrator, and now lives in

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Northern California and earns her living, doing consulting in

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the rocks, your block conversation. So please welcome

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to the mindful you podcast. Denise maturely. Denise Michelle

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Lee, welcome as a guest to the mindful you podcast. It's

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exciting to have you here. And I want to thank you for being here

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today.

Unknown:

You're so welcome. Thank you for having me.

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I find that on the mindfulness journey, if I asked

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the guests questions about their background, so I like to start

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with, you know, we'll going back to the time that it's almost as

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if there were critical events that happened in people's lives,

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that caused a shift in perception that allowed them to

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wake up in a way they sort of wake up from a, an unconscious

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state to a more conscious state, and then they have a new

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direction. So I'd like to start with having you share with us,

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our audience, a little bit of your background, and a few of

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those important key transition points in your in your life

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journey. So go ahead and take a shot at that one, Denise. So

Denise Miceli:

I have to go back, you know, really to my

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childhood, because it's when I realized that I was different. I

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knew there was something different about me, like I just

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always questioned everything, and I felt highly sensitive, I

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think, you know, I really didn't understand it all then but I

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found meditation and yoga very young. And, you know, it was it

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just drew me in, in fact, I remember I was like, 15 or

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something. And I asked my mom to come with me to this yoga class,

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you know, in our, our, like, you know, 70s leotards and we go to

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some school gymnasium and, and it was the opening for me of

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realizing that there was another way of seeing life. And so that

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was kind of the first clue that really stayed with me and saw me

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and I was in middle school. When I first started meditating. I

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remember getting the book TM, you know, that was like the big

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meditation book at the time. And you know, it was this tiny

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little book and I read it like in an hour and all of my

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girlfriends used to love having sleepovers because I would

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literally do a sleep guided meditation. I didn't even know

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what I was doing. Honestly, I just felt drawn to it. I felt

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like this was my calling. And they would be like, yeah, let's

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get on our sleeping bags. And let's like, let's let's D you

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know, you know, get us all ready to go to sleep. And, and so, you

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know, there was this sort of deep connection that I felt with

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the spiritual side of life and I did grow up in a Catholic

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environment. You know, my family's Italian, you know, at

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the time we thought 100% But now we know it's telling you in

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Greek but very Catholic and my parents you know, had a rocky

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marriage and got divorced and and I became You're very, you

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know, this illusion with the Catholic Church because I

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remember that my mom, we were all in Catholic school at that

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time. And my mom was told, like, if you can't give so much at the

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church every week, like, yeah, we're sorry. But I mean,

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literally, that's how crazy it was. And I was like, Really,

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it's all about the money. And so I mean, it was just a terrible

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experience. But at but there was something in me that knew, you

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know, so I remember my sister and I both had the choice like,

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do you want to go to, you know, go all girls Catholic High

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School, do you want to? And I was like, yeah, that's not for

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me. And she did that, you know. So we always were very

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different. But it was, you know, that questioning that sense of,

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of, you know, really do I have to go this traditional way. So I

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really became this person that was going to question

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everything. And I can remember having these arguments with my

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mom. And she'd be like, because I told you, you know, that whole

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the way that parents had, it was just like, because I said, so

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there was no reason and I was like, there was no logic in that

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mom. And he was like logic. I'm your mother. And so I became the

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first person in my family to go to college. I actually, by the

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time I got through a couple of years of public high school, I

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was like, I really know this stuff. And I'm just bored. And

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so I, I found out that I could go to college early, and I, no

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one supported me, like my guidance counselor was like,

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You're not a shoo in for that. And my mother was like, you want

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to do what? First of all, why go to college Second of all, early

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like, You're nuts. And I was just like, well, this friend is

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going to England to do this. And this other friend, and I had

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inspiring teachers and friends, which I think is what encouraged

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me to become that, for others like to be a guide to be an

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inspirational force. And so I applied to four colleges on

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early admission. And I got into three out of the four. And I and

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I went off and started my adventure at 17. And, you know,

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I didn't know what the heck I wanted to study, I just knew

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there was something out there. For me, that didn't include me

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being a part of this sort of broken family that was really

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trying, you know, they were trying to do the best they

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could, but I sort of became the parent because I felt very

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empowered. I felt like I had more tools. And it was it was

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draining me it was taking away my energy toward my life. And I

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can even remember, you know, my family being like, really upset

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with me for leaving, they're like, you're not supposed to be

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leaving, yeah, you need to be here for us. And I was just

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like, oh, my gosh, I need to run, you know. And so I went

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into, you know, that period of my life with such excitement and

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hope that I could change my life. And so that was like the

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first big, sort of like, proving to myself if I allowed myself to

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think out of the box, if I allowed myself to use these

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tools, that I could become whatever I wanted to be. So, you

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know, that was kind of the first inkling of it. And over the

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years, though, I found myself, you know, as I got up in my 20s,

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like, you know, I thought, Oh, I'm never gonna get married, I'm

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never gonna have kids, because it was so painful, you know, in

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my family, and I don't want to repeat that. And I felt that tug

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in me, you know, I felt that woman thing like getting to be

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30. And you're not having a kid yet. I really did feel that

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because my family was very old school, very old fashion. Like I

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said, I was the first one to go to college. And there was no,

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there were no females in my family that did anything. If

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they had dropped like a teller or a clerk or a secretary, or

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like my Nana, she worked in a factory. So these were working

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class people. And so for me to want something more than that

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just didn't, you know, it didn't set well. So I found I didn't

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know it then. But looking back now I saw that I was really

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being pulled back by those expectations, to be married to

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have children, even though like I knew there was something more

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I wanted to do with my life. So needless to say, I ended up

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getting married and having a child. And it was wonderful. I

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mean, it was a supportive relationship. I have a

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wonderful, you know, adult daughter now. But I got to a

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point where I was like, I do want something more, you know,

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and then it was the struggle of like, okay, you have to be

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everything. You're going to be the mom, you're going to be the

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career woman, you're going to be all that. So I went on to become

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a teacher. I had a great career as a chef in my 20s I ended up

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quitting school early because I started working in restaurants

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and I I just knew how to cook. It just was in my DNA, and I

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loved it and I love making people happy. But it eventually

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got to be an imbalance in my body. And exhausting work, you

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know, just exhausting. We're very successful at it, but

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having to walk away from something that and this has

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happened to me a few times in my Life where, you know, when

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you're doing well at something, it's actually the best time to

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walk away if you have the empowered, you know, decision

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that you can make that says, there's great things about this.

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Like, if I waited until it was like really oppressive, that

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would have drained me even more, but to be able to say, I love

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this. And guess what, I'll know how to cook my whole life now,

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and I can cook for pleasure. But I'm ready for something more. So

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I went back to college in my early 30s, and became an

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educator, and right away, became a leader in education, of

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change. You know, I remember working with teachers who were

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like making literal dittos, like, they'd have all of their

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dittos made for the entire year. And I came in like, No, we're

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gonna make projects, and we're gonna do cross curricular and

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hands on and my kids wanted to come in at lunch, because they

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were so excited to learn, you know, they were just like doing

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paperbag book reports and having fun learning and I couldn't stay

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in the classroom, they were like, we need you to show the

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other teachers how to do this. And the other teachers were

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like, Oh, my gosh, what does she want me to do? Look at the mess

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in her classroom. You know, and I had the kids getting jobs. I

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mean, I was a third grade teacher, I had them like

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applying for jobs, cleaning up the classroom, you learning how

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to use a checkbook, doing all of these things that we don't do in

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school, like teaching them how to really live, you know, show

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up on Monday, you get a paycheck, you bumped bag is in

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the aisle, you're getting a ticket, you know, like, just

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consequences, move on and go on, you know, and so, but very

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quickly, I was encouraged to lead other people. And then

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before I knew it, I was becoming a leader and actually went to

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the district level, teaching schools how to be better. And so

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I became this change agent, like from all of that to, you know,

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like I said, I was like, I've started with 16. Kids, it was a

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wonderful first year, but then it was the whole school than it

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was a region. And then we were doing district wide efforts. So

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I spent 20 years in that in that career. And once again, came to

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this point where I said, I got all these credentials, you know,

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leadership, master's degrees, and, and I was doing really

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well. And I looked at people, I was rounding up to 20 years, who

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were at 25, and 30. And they were just, they were falling

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apart. They were miserable. They were exhausted. I mean, we were

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talking about, you know, coming into the years when school

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shooting first started, you know, and the things that people

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were dealing with, you know, I remember being trained by the

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principal of Columbine, and, you know, just psychically taking

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that on, I think it reconnected me with how sensitive that I

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that I really was. And I think that because I was so you know,

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I'm a New Yorker, I'm a native New Yorker, so I have no problem

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putting questions out there to people. So they would put me

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literally, I was hired into a position at the district where

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it was like, give me your worst schools. And I remember the

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first position, I got the 10 worst in the state, and my

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partner got the other 10. And it was like, Here, go off and do

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your thing. And I would have people laughing, crying, you

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know, you know, walking out of meetings, because we were

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literally at that point where it was like you either have to

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change, or you have to find something else. And sometimes

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they would come to me and say you know what, thank you because

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I need to find something else. You don't want to come to work

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or a relationship or any situation every day where you're

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like, I can't stand this and you're blaming everyone else for

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it. It was always it's the parents fault is this is that.

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And so I had to make that choice again and say, this work is

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crushing me. This work is you know, I'd be waking up in the

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middle of night worried about a certain student, a certain

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teacher that really difficult, gut wrenching situations because

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I worked in a very large district with, you know, a lot

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of mostly the whole 20 years of my career with the neediest

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schools and the neediest families and cities. So

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eventually, I had to walk away. And so that's really the Dark

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Knight journey that I call what developed was just two years

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before the pandemic, you know, and I Rumi I love my favorite

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Rumi quote is, the the whole is where the light comes in. You

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know, it was my awakening to say, remember all that stuff you

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did way back when because of course, during the years, you

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know, you go to yoga you do. I did all kinds of yoga, all kinds

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of meditation from that point on in my life. But you know, I got

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into that, you know, what I call the rushing woman years, which

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is like you're, you know, 35 to 45 You're just like, I got to do

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this. I gotta be the mother. I gotta, you know, run the

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household. I gotta, you know, and I did eventually end up

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getting divorced. I was a single mom had bought my own home. I

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was is running the show, you know, on, on on. And I got to

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the point where I just said, this isn't working, you know, my

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daughter was really unhappy. She wasn't thriving in physically

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and emotionally, she had a lot of health problems that I was

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dealing with. And so I in my career, I was literally at the

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point where I was assisting superintendents in making

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choices about the district and working at the state level to

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make changes that would go down to the kid level. And it was, it

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was very rewarding for me. But it was also more than I became

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innovative. The more that I became a change agent, the more

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I felt the bureaucrats going, Oh, whoa, whoa, wait a second,

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what does this woman think? Who does she think she is? And, you

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know, there was a part of me that just shone so brightly, you

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know, I don't know if that's a word, but that I feel like some

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of them like I would walk into and this is where I started to

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feel that intuitive hits again, that sense of sensitivity that I

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would walk into these interviews, and they were like,

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the panels, we've got three minutes for each question. And,

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you know, like, really structured and I became expert

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at them. And I would get first interview, second interviewed

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and but I'd walk in and I just feel the daggers, I would feel

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the divers coming at me, like, there's nothing I could say in

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this interview, that they're going to receive, like, they

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just have some sort of block to me. So, you know, when those

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things happen, there's a reason there's a lot of reasons, I had

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nothing but glowing letters I had, you know, commendations

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from the superintendent, all this stuff being on committees.

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And I just said, D, there's something here, there's

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something happening for a reason that maybe you're not supposed

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to become a superintendent cuz I literally interviewed for like,

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assistant superintendent or director of literacy for the

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whole entire sixth largest district in the country. And I

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just had to step back and say, This system doesn't see you, or

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doesn't want to see everything that you have. And so maybe your

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work needs to morph into something else. Now, boy, that

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was really hard. That was really, really hard. But I

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looked at all of it. And I was just like, you know, I had

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always wanted to be able to help people more, and I felt very

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blocked. And so it says, same thing is like, when there's a

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blockage there, there's something going on that saying,

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hey, wait a second, there's something else calling your

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soul, you know, and that's where I started to really listen to my

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intuition. And I'm not going to say it was pretty because it

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wasn't. And I had to, you know, say goodbye to my home, which I,

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you know, had for a very long time. And did you know you do

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all these things in your first home, especially owning it

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myself, and all the things I had so much pride in, but to be able

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to look at that and say, You know what, I've got a branch out

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from here. So I was literally going to walk away, and I found

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out, you know, what, there's an option for me to early retire,

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and I'm going to take that option, and turn it into another

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business, and took me a couple of years to get that all worked

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out. But I finally figured out, I can take the seeds of this and

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create something that really is more in alignment with me. So

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that was really the biggest transformation, I would say in

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my life, because it started to help me to see that all of these

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expectations outside of me of the path you're supposed to take

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have the you know, the expectations, both of you know,

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of women in society and what they're supposed to do family

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expectations, all of that, you know, I can remember for years,

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you know, sharing ideas of my family just getting shot down,

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shot down, it took me a lot of decades to get over that one,

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you know, to realize, like, there's certain people where you

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don't want to bring those ideas to because they don't understand

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and so they're just gonna be like, what and why, you know,

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given you that Kona, like puppy, you know, sort of stare with the

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head turn. So, it was during that time that I started to

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really kind of go deeper with my yoga, my meditation, started

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getting certified in those areas so that I could incorporate that

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into my coaching. So I started you know, an individual coaching

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business. I early retired and was working with people on

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health and nutrition because that had been a big awakening,

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shifting away from being a chef and going into that new career.

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I said, That's it, I'm gonna go healthy. And I did I on the side

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of doing all of that Elon, I became a personal trainer and

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got into nutrition and it's been a passion of mine for over 20

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years. So I started doing that on the side while I was still

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actually teaching, but what I when I went full time with it,

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it was fantastic. And I started in in LA which of course is

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where you start everything right if you especially with health,

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like everybody's doing some kind of fitness thing they are. So it

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was fantastic. And, but then the pandemic came. And suddenly

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people lost all motivation, you know, people were just like,

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right there were day drinking, there were, there was just, you

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know, I would meet with people and I would do their nutritional

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analysis, and I would give them a plan and that, you know, that

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they felt good about and they come back and they start coming

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back and be like, You gave me a great plan, I don't know what's

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wrong with me, I just feel blocked. And so I started to

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realize that I needed to bring in some of those other tools,

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that there was an issue going on that was deeper than, you know,

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just having a good plan. The best laid plans are nothing

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without like some kind of motivation and some kind of a

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feel for, you know, I can do this. And so as I went deeper

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into that, I found subconscious healing. And I learned so much

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about how our brains like it there 90% of what we think about

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is from our subconscious, and so I started really researching it,

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reading about it. And I found out that like, really, our

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subconscious mind is like a video recorder, it has recorded

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everything in our lives. And our brain has a way of trying to

Denise Miceli:

protect us. So when we, especially when we get into a

Denise Miceli:

new situation, or we want to change something in our lives,

Denise Miceli:

we become like, very resistant, and we don't often know where

Denise Miceli:

it's coming from, you know, I mean, the simplest version, when

Denise Miceli:

you connected with nutrition is, you know, sometimes we were

Denise Miceli:

shamed. When we were a kid, we were called names, or we were

Denise Miceli:

told to get outside and go exercise and go, whatever, but

Denise Miceli:

if those things aren't cleared, or like at least calmed, then we

Denise Miceli:

can become triggered, you know, or we can feel we deserve this

Denise Miceli:

treat, because maybe there's another part of our life that

Denise Miceli:

we're not happy with. So we're kind of like, it's kind of like

Denise Miceli:

an addictive behavior, you know, whether it's like shopping or

Denise Miceli:

eating, or whatever it is, but we become stuck in these, you

Denise Miceli:

know, subconscious patterns. And so the method that I use is

Denise Miceli:

really helping people identify either an emotion that seems to

Denise Miceli:

come up a lot, you know, some people are prone to depression,

Denise Miceli:

some people just get into a set, and some people have more of an

Denise Miceli:

anxious personality, we call it right. But these are just echoes

Denise Miceli:

and patterns of how they dealt with things in the past. And

Denise Miceli:

when they go to do something out of their comfort zone, the first

Denise Miceli:

thing that happens is they go, oh, wait a second. You know, I

Denise Miceli:

don't know that I can do that. You know, they start worrying,

Denise Miceli:

you know, and that's where, you know, I always

Unknown:

say there's anxiety and depression, right? Depression is

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being sad about what happened in the past and anxieties worried

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about the future. There is both.

Alan Carroll:

Go ahead and say that that one again. That's a

Alan Carroll:

nice little golden nugget there go slow, though. Yeah. So

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so I feel like most people fall into one or the

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other camps. So depression is about being sad about the past.

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It's about reworking over and over in your mind, like, why did

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this happen to me? How could I think of it differently, right?

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So we go towards a sadness, and we get stuck in the past,

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anxiety is more future focus. It's like, I'm worried I'm not

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going to find someone, I'm worried about this job. I don't

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know if I can do it. You know, it's so there's that past and

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future? And where does that take us out of the present moment. So

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if we're not in the present moment, right, we don't have

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those tools. And you know, to go back to my education, like I

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learned to take that breath work with my kids, because I had, you

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know, always at least 10 to 20 kids who were special. And who

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would get triggered easily because of their trauma. You

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know, there's some of them were living in active trauma, some of

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them had trauma and when they were younger, and so I would

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teach two breaths, and each kid would have to sing, you know,

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because some kids get triggered into anger. And some kids get

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triggered into sadness. So I'd give an energizing breath to

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that kid who'd got triggered into the low feeling. And the

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kid who got ready to smack someone, I gave them a calming

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breaths. So you know, and we literally made a poster right in

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front of their desk. It's like when you feel that way, look at

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it, do the three steps, and it would calm them or it would

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energize them. And so being able to, you know, help people now

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helps that are saying, I don't I'm not happy with some part of

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my life. The emotion is what we bring up first, and we bring it

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up. So you know, I work a little bit with conscious but I don't

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want to, I don't want to do what people do in therapy, which is

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go over and over everything. I've been there myself, I don't

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want to talk about it anymore. But what's important is to bring

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up the emotion that is most present because if it's most

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present, and it's what you default to when you're in a

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struggle, then that says there's something deep and dark inside

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your past and it may be more than one thing that has dragged

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you down. And that is going to keep surfacing unless you deal

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with it, because our mind really does have a negativity bias,

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it's trying to protect us. And a lot of this is based on family

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systems therapy, which says that we have parts of us. And some of

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them are very young parts that are still trying to protect us

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from maybe a mean grandfather or a, you know, a mean t that, you

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know, just made us kind of like shake when they, you know, were

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maybe they were just, you know, very nasty, and how they talk to

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us, we've all had those experiences, but sometimes those

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parts stay active in us. And, and unless we deal with them,

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unless we neutralize them and I tell people is, it's not a bad

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thing to feel those things, we want to protect ourselves. But

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when they stop us from changing, now we have a problem because

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some people never realize they have those parts. So part of

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this work and you know, it's called Family Systems therapy is

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that human beings function much better. When all of their parts

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are working together, instead of, you know, I have this happy,

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mindful part of me that wants to, you know, move to another

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country or whatever the big goal is, but there's a part of me

Unknown:

that's worried about safety. There's a part of me that's

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worried about what if I, you know, what, if this person

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doesn't understand me, or you know, all of these things, and

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then we're stuck. And so that's really kind of who I work with

Unknown:

as people that feels stuck in some area of their life. Like,

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one woman that came to my group sessions was just like, she was

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in a sales job. And I said, COVID is such a turning point

Unknown:

for people just as it was, for me, she was just like, the

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quotas and the thing, you know, they're trying to change it,

Unknown:

because everything's different now. But I just can't, every day

Unknown:

I wake up stressed, I wake up in the middle of the night stress

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trying to make these quotas. Well, in a couple of months of

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coming to these sessions, which are like a 90 minute healing

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session where we start with a little conscious, bring the

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thing up the emotion. And then we use a mindfulness practice to

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calm and to relax. And then we go into the subconscious

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healing, which is based on neuro linguistic programming, you may

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have heard of it NLP. So it is really talking to your

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subconscious mind, and you train your mind your subconscious mind

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of how to receive these commands. So based on the energy

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of the group, or the person you're working with, which I

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thought in the beginning, oh, I don't know how I could read the

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energy of a group, I can read the energy of a group, it's

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amazing. And of course, the more present ones are going to come

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out first, but the emotion is, is brought forward. And then we

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give some commands to neutralize it, to replace it with space and

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positive emotion and to just, you know, make it so it's not so

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triggerable, we talk about Association dissociation,

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because, again, those parts, those younger parts are

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associating a change or something you're trying to do in

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your life, they're associating it with something that happened

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in your past with a negative outcome, and boom, you're

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derailed, you're triggered, whatever you want to call,

Unknown:

alright, they call it triggering these days. So. So that's kind

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of, you know, how that process works. So this woman, couple

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months later, she came to like two or three sessions, she

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didn't even come to a lot. But she came back and she said, D, I

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quit that job. I was scared, I didn't know what the heck I was

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gonna do. But I found a job working for a nonprofit, and

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they're doing this great, they have this great mission, and I

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don't have to meet a sales quota. And it's near, I mean, so

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when we make space that way, when we take those parts, and we

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thank them, thank you so much for protecting me all those

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years, but I'm good. Like I really am. I'm not scared of

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this thing anymore. Whatever it was, sometimes it's an emotion,

Unknown:

but it could be a memory, like people who've had trauma, it

Unknown:

could be a memory of being victimized. And so if that

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memory comes up every time you think of getting close to

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someone hard to have a relationship, right, so I have

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women like that a lot that unfortunately, have issues of

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trust, because that trust was broken as a child. And they've

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done years and years of of traditional therapies and they

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just want something different. And to come in to something like

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this and be able to very quickly have that neutralized down to

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where they go, you know, and and a lot of times people will feel

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a body sensation, but a lot of times just make room for

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insights to come up and say wow, I you know, I can see how that

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was weighing me down and I just feel this space now. And you

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know, and it takes processing time. You know, some people can

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instantly make the change some people We'll need to come back a

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little bit more repeated. And there's a way also that people

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that work with me a little bit longer, they can learn how to

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give themselves commands. So it's not something where you are

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dependent on the other person, but it's just like, hey, do you

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see that thought that's coming up, you see that repetitive

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thought that's coming up. And you talk to your subconscious

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mind and say, hey, just take it down, help me take it down. And

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I've used this for, you know, when you wake up in the middle

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of the night, right, you've probably heard that when you

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wake up at like, 3am, your stress hormones are overactive,

Unknown:

right, or you ate a bunch of sugar, or you had some alcohol,

Unknown:

right? There's no physical reason for it to, but you can

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use it to help you get back asleep, say, hey, you know,

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check these racing thoughts for me subconscious mind, and just

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helped me neutralize them so I can get more rest. So you really

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get to be more in charge of your inner world. Instead of and I

Unknown:

was listening to your your most recent podcast, where you were

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talking about this very thing, you know, when we become more

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inner focused, we are less reactionary to the world, we

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don't rely on the world changing, or the, you know, an

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outside factor outside of ourselves to make our lives

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better, we start to see that we can create that space, for

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insightful changes in ourselves, so that we can do something

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different, you know, like change the work, change, the people

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were around, I think the hardest thing that people realize, and

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particularly this has a lot to do with women is they get to

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this middle age, and they realize, Wow, this is I'm not

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happy. And I'm surrounded by people who aren't happy, because

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what do people think, in the US, but in a lot of cultures, that

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aging means degradation of your health, period, end of story.

Unknown:

And so if you're surrounded by people who believe that but you

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don't, which I honestly don't believe it has to be that way.

Unknown:

But when you hear nothing, but messages about aging that are

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negative, and you're living surrounded by that, it's very

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hard. So one of the things that can potentially be a side effect

Unknown:

of this. And as with any spiritual growth, right, we hear

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about the spiritual leaders who go off on these things, and they

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go and be alone for a little while. So that is, you know,

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sometimes a side effect is that when you reorganize your

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spiritual life, you step back sometimes because you realize

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that you're spending time and energy, in work, relationships,

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situations, even places that you're living, that are not

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giving you anything back. And so you want to have that good flow

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of energy back and forth. And so I don't know anybody who can

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just take on all negative all the time, and then shoot out

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positive, right, we need to feed ourselves, especially, you know,

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in any type of coaching teaching healing profession, if you're

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not getting time for yourself to replenish to do what you need to

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do. It's very difficult to feel like, you know, you can keep

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giving back. So

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yeah, so I know that was a quite a long answer there. But But

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yeah, so that was my my Dark Knight journey that led me to

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more of my coaching away from just straight up, you know, body

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health, although that is a major part of how I approach things

Unknown:

with people, because a lot of times, especially with sadness,

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moving your body immediately changes your energy, you know,

Unknown:

so so I'll find that with people who are feeling stuck or sad or

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depressed over a longer period of time, they are not making

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that commitment. So we work on what's the resistance to that?

Unknown:

Well, let's lower the sadness down. But let's get you just

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start walking. And that's the thing, I'll say, Look, just five

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minutes of walking. When I first started my weight loss journey,

Unknown:

I, you know, I'm a very small person, but I was over 200

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pounds. And I said, I'm going to start with five minutes. So I

Unknown:

asked people is can you give yourself five minutes, I would

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go to my, you know, I put my big black T shirt on, and go to my

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little studio, and sit on a bike and just pedal for five minutes.

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And I could gradually add time to that finally lost some pounds

Unknown:

and went to the gym. And I'm literally half the person that I

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used to be. And I did that only in a few years, you know,

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becoming the teacher making that change, and elevating myself to

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a professional career. I said, That's it. I have no excuses

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anymore. I'm going to make my health a priority. But you start

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where you are, you know, and I remember during the beginning of

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when I started doing nutrition and fitness coaching, I get

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these people like I have to lose 50 pounds my wedding and I was

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like, I'm not your girl. I'm going to help you change your

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life. But I'm more of a longer term person. I'm going to take

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you from where you are now or they'd be like, can I buy a menu

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from you? I'm like, No. I'm gonna help you find exactly what

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is working for you and what's not. And that's where like, I

Unknown:

take all the data analysis that I learned and all of the root

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causes, I developed a root cause analysis process for groups and

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schools that were failing. And I take that now to the personal

Unknown:

level. And I say, Okay, well, you know, because I'll get

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people, you know, women my age who are like, you know, I really

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do eat healthy. And you know, my friends said to me, what are you

Unknown:

going to learn from a nutrition coach? Well, what's your biggest

Unknown:

issue? Well, I have this bloat in my belly, and I can't seem to

Unknown:

lose a pound. Okay. So you know, it's hard to admit, when we're

Unknown:

this age that we don't know everything. So, but if you're

Unknown:

not getting the result you want, let's scrap everything you've

Unknown:

been doing. Let's start from ground zero, I don't have a big

Unknown:

vitamin program for you. But let's just start with the

Unknown:

basics. What are you eating? How do you sleep, and do you move,

Unknown:

and just working with that, you know, everyone's program is

Unknown:

going to look different. So I love that, that always comes up,

Unknown:

whatever they come to me for, but sometimes it always comes

Unknown:

up, it always comes up that there's something physically

Unknown:

that they're doing or not doing, that is causing them to also to

Unknown:

feel blocked, you know, and just even that five minute commitment

Unknown:

of a five minute walk, eventually can turn into a 10 to

Unknown:

15 minute walk to eventually, you know, after a meal, if you

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have time, that's when you take your walk, because then you'll

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burn off, you know, more energy and stuff like that. And then,

Unknown:

you know, eventually getting them to see how good you've can

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feel from just simple exercise, you know, anything at all, any

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type of exercise. So, it is like, probably the most

Unknown:

effective natural form of antidepressant that we have anti

Unknown:

anxiety Do you know? But um, yeah, so we, you know, so we

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focus on the emotions primarily, but also the repetitive

Unknown:

thoughts, or, you know, and repetitive thoughts turn into

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beliefs. So we may be operating under beliefs that we have from

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our childhood, just like I found myself doing when I was

Unknown:

approaching 30. It was like, Okay, I could go get a master's

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degree now. Or I could get married, and I can have a kid,

Unknown:

oh, I'll just do all of it, right. Or some people do say, I

Unknown:

better get married, oh, my clock is ticking. I better have a kid

Unknown:

now. Because, you know, otherwise, I don't want to have

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a kid too old. And we do all of that stuff. So you know, it

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becomes a, you know, a thing to to look at that situation and

Unknown:

say, let's take a look.

Alan Carroll:

Let's take a look at the ability to become self

Alan Carroll:

aware. You've mentioned bass, you've mentioned looking, you've

Alan Carroll:

mentioned observation, you've mentioned, you get you get

Alan Carroll:

hooked by a situation, you get sucked into the story. And you

Alan Carroll:

begin to follow the program that was established when you were a

Alan Carroll:

kid until you until you are able to become aware that you have

Alan Carroll:

the emotion, become aware that you have the thought. And it

Alan Carroll:

doesn't make any difference what the thought is, doesn't make any

Alan Carroll:

difference what it is, can you step back, keep your body still

Alan Carroll:

keep your keep your keep your breath, get get your breath, get

Alan Carroll:

in the moment, and just observe what is going on physically.

Alan Carroll:

Mentally, your thoughts get stirred up, your body gets

Alan Carroll:

stirred up not right not wrong, just just observe what's going

Alan Carroll:

on. And you said the word space several times. And to me when

Alan Carroll:

you can observe something, you have to have a space between you

Alan Carroll:

and that which is being observed. And space to me is the

Alan Carroll:

and I think you great everything you're saying makes sense to me.

Alan Carroll:

Space is like the buffer, that that trance that that's that

Alan Carroll:

stops the reactive behavior, and then allows you to have

Alan Carroll:

responding behavior, which is much more healthy for mentally

Alan Carroll:

emotionally spiritually, you really have a wonderful story.

Alan Carroll:

And you have used the events in the in the story of Dee's life

Alan Carroll:

in order to marinate something, marinate something inside

Alan Carroll:

yourself some spiritual aspect of ourselves, some spiritual

Alan Carroll:

component of ourselves. And now you've reached a point where

Alan Carroll:

you're able to take all the knowledge that you've learned in

Alan Carroll:

the past and formulate a way of being with people that allows

Alan Carroll:

them if I have it, right, that allows them to remove the blocks

Alan Carroll:

and barriers that stopping them from achieving that mindful

Alan Carroll:

state of consciousness and stop making more money. It's not the

Alan Carroll:

happiness thing. It's just getting into a mindful state of

Alan Carroll:

consciousness, where everything is still rather than is that it

Alan Carroll:

might close what you're saying?

Unknown:

Absolutely. I mean, you you put it really nicely into a

Unknown:

nutshell it, it is it feels like the culmination, it feels like

Unknown:

what I'm supposed to be doing now, which is you know why I'm

Unknown:

leaning more towards working with groups, because I feel

Unknown:

like, wow, if you think about where the world is right now,

Unknown:

you bet. You know, there's, there's this extremes where

Unknown:

everybody's going to one side or the other, there's a victim

Unknown:

mentality that's rampant, there's a sense of, you know,

Unknown:

either extreme powerfulness or extreme powerlessness, it's like

Unknown:

we're going, you know, so there has to be what's in the middle,

Unknown:

which is becoming more inner focused, and in less

Unknown:

reactionary, you know, this is a time where if you don't have

Unknown:

that tool, you're going to get swept up in that, and, you know,

Unknown:

lose yourself in it. And if we can lose ourselves in a belief

Unknown:

that we gained from childhood, then, you know, we can certainly

Unknown:

get lost in these bigger energies, which are given so

Unknown:

much airtime right now, you know, and that's the thing is,

Unknown:

you know, I teach people like, what are you putting in, it's

Unknown:

not just about the food you eat, or what you drink, or what you

Unknown:

consume? But it's like, how many screens? Are you looking at all

Unknown:

day? And what are you playing, you know, if you and I don't say

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that people should not know what's going on. But at the same

Unknown:

time, if you're trying to manifest a happier life, a more

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abundant life, love, whatever it is you're trying to do, if all

Unknown:

you're doing is getting into the details of what's not working in

Unknown:

life, you're blocking your energy from elevating, you know,

Unknown:

from rising, whatever the belief system that you have, you know,

Unknown:

divine source, or, you know, God or whatever the belief system,

Unknown:

as you're blocked from that, if you can't, you know, if you give

Unknown:

that energy away, you know, I heard somebody talking about

Unknown:

that, when the term paying attention, you're paying a price

Unknown:

for that. And so, you know, and I, you know, I was very, I was

Unknown:

like, a little hippie when I was a kid, and I was very active

Unknown:

politically. And so it is very hard for me to not look at that

Unknown:

stuff. But I know that I, if I want to be in an elevated state,

Unknown:

that's certainly not something I'm going to do before I go and

Unknown:

work with a client or go and work with a group, I need to

Unknown:

take care of my spiritual health. As a result of living

Unknown:

this life, I want to be the example and show you you can

Unknown:

live in this kind of state, but not if you're, you know, binge

Unknown:

watching Netflix, or you're binge watching, you know,

Unknown:

YouTube politics, and you battle these channels like it is, it is

Unknown:

happening, things are deconstructing, you know, it's

Unknown:

further evidence that things are changing. And we need different

Unknown:

tools, you know, so that's why I feel like yeah, this is you

Unknown:

really kind of put it all together. In a nutshell, this

Unknown:

feels like what I'm supposed to do. And I'm feeling a little bit

Unknown:

like a book is coming. You know, I have never written a book, but

Unknown:

sure, written in other documents that have been, you know, are

Unknown:

now being used in different things. And I'm just like, you

Unknown:

know, and I do, right, so another thing that I do to try

Unknown:

to put my healing energy out there, as I have a inspiring

Unknown:

guidance YouTube channel, I have I write for medium, I started

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writing articles. And I write at least one article a week, mostly

Unknown:

about life lessons. Personal growth in those topics, I find a

Unknown:

lot about a lot of what comes up, especially with women who

Unknown:

primarily my clients are women, but sometimes I get men is, you

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know how to have boundaries. Because when you start to

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identify what doesn't work in your life, a lot of times people

Unknown:

find they have zero boundaries. And that's part of why they're

Unknown:

not happy because they're absorbing everyone else, you

Unknown:

know, they're trying to take care of everyone first. And it

Unknown:

feels like, so scary to them to even think of drawing a

Unknown:

boundary. You know, like, when we talk about this person, we

Unknown:

don't agree, so let's just not talk about this person. And

Unknown:

anytime you bring up that person, I'm gonna say I have to

Unknown:

go now. It's just a boundary, right? Because, right, how many

Unknown:

of us have dealt with that kind of situation within our families

Unknown:

within friendships where people are, they're just massively

Unknown:

disagreeing but you know what, I value you enough and I value

Unknown:

myself enough to say, let's draw the line here because I really

Unknown:

would like to keep this friendship and sometimes if

Unknown:

people can't do that, it's okay to let that go. Because you're

Unknown:

valuing yourself and so you know, so I write articles about

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little pieces of this to kind of help and guide people and that

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was one of the articles published there published on

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medium so when you go to my website, you know if people are

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interested, if they go to rock, your blocks my website, and you

Unknown:

sign up, then you would get into my email and then I put out

Unknown:

every time I put How to YouTube video. So I do YouTube video

Unknown:

guided meditations. And then I write articles on medium. And

Unknown:

yeah, and I have been using this thing called Insight Timer,

Unknown:

which is a wonderful, you know, meditation app. So I was like,

Unknown:

you know, I'm already making these videos. So I've been

Unknown:

posting audios on there of my short meditations that people

Unknown:

can use for, you know, just calming, soothing the nervous

Unknown:

system, just mostly, you know, 1015 minutes of just some

Unknown:

guidance, some inspiration, and, yeah, so. So I feel like, you

Unknown:

know, I'm just filled with this energy that I want to promote

Unknown:

and share this really, you know, neuroscience backed method. It's

Unknown:

really amazing, like they've done these, the Q EGS of the

Unknown:

brain, and you can see a difference in the brain before

Unknown:

and after the subconscious healings are done. So it's

Unknown:

fantastic. I mean, people have come to us with things that are

Unknown:

longstanding, like PTSD, from childhood abuse, to fear of

Unknown:

heights, these are all parts of us that got programmed, and they

Unknown:

just need to be released, they need to be told it's thank you

Unknown:

for all the protection but you don't need to protect me

Unknown:

anymore. And I can, you know, I can, you can stay with me, but

Unknown:

you got to get in the back seat. I tell people that you're not in

Unknown:

the driver's seat anymore. You know, thank you, thank you hugs.

Unknown:

But I got this.

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I like the I like the the rock your blocks

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concept. I remember a training I did with Warner Earhart, and the

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S training back in the 70s. And he was talking about people are

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sometimes resistant to break down, things are breaking down,

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things are breaking, oh, I don't want things breaking down. No,

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no, no, no, and reframed it. And he and he said after break down

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comes break through. And so rather than resist what's

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happening in the moment as something terrible look at it as

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this has to happen in order for you to go to there. And so you

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can you can look at your story is almost breakdown after

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breakdown after breakdown, breakthrough after breakthrough

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after breakthrough. And now we're culminating with a with a

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with a cornucopia of energy, manifesting itself in groups and

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writing and reading and books and all this energy that you are

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a gift now you are a teacher, you are a you need a microphone

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in order to spread it out into the world kinds of stuff.

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That's, that's, that's an acknowledgment of the work

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you've done, and the psychological suffering that

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you've had to Crump in order to win that, that state of

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mindfulness in a state of presence. And absolutely, the

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idea is that there's a lot of things that when you put your

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five senses out into the world, will stimulate you. And unless

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you take that, that that consciousness and put it in the

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body, which in the Buddhist tradition, they call it

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embodiment, rather than this disinviting them with all the

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thoughts going on inside you, but the past the present the

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future, you go into your body, your body is very, very still.

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And boy, you are allowing people a pathway in order to resolve

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the blocks with a foundation of stillness, because you got to do

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that you got to close your eyes, you can't be watching the

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Netflix 24/7 can't be watching the politics 24/7 It can't be

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watched, you can't, you got to be stopping all that which,

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which to me is a which is in my business. It's a it is a letting

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go of the egoic structures, the identity that you've identified

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yourself as being and the realization that I'm that I have

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those but not those. I'm the space that contains it. And you

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mentioned space several times, and I'd like to just share with

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you one of the definitions of love that I found rock rock my

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blocks was was that love is the ability to give something the

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space to be the way it is and the way it isn't. So you got to

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give yourself the space to be the way you are or the way

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you're not. You got to give other people the space to be the

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way they are. They're not. And this idea of space creates the

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hole that you talked about. And the hole allows the light to

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come in. And the light is a divine light of the spirit to

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call it whatever you want to call it the light of

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mindfulness, the light of the the Infinite Light of

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nothingness that illuminates the darkness that allows you to heal

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the the suffering that is caused by the by the the the the media,

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the programming from your parents who just did the best

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they could with the resources they had at the Tony Robbins

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quote, which I love people do the best they can with the

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resources they have. It's like, well, that's that's a lot of

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compassion in that one. I liked that. So you've mentioned many,

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many things and I know people listening to you say, Wow, that

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she's somebody I'd like to follow. So we'll we'll put all

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your your information into the, into the notes so people can

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contact you because you sound like you're like a candy store

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with lots of lots of sleep candy, that a lot of people on

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the journey, who have to have that suffering with like a

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little piece of that candy in order to reduce the suffering

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and you sound like a a candy vendor who has lots of great

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candy that's going to not sugar I know you're I know the sugars

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and you know, something for pleasure. So I want to I want to

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just give you a chance to complete muscle want to thank

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you for what you have said and and who you are for what you

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have created in the world. And, and what you have creative for

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other people in order to reduce the suffering and the blocks and

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the barriers that that cause them to be running through life

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with an anchor, pulling and pulling an anchor all the time

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and you release the anchor and allow them to float, in my mind

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like a hot air balloon and to the sky. It's just It's

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wonderful to be able to talk with you. What would you like to

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say to complete and do and to complete our podcast?

Unknown:

I would just say that, you know, I think that's the

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biggest, the biggest key is space. You know, you said that I

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mentioned that several times. But to experience this kind of

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healing just even once you bet creates enough space for shifts

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to begin to happen. So I just want as many people as possible

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to experience it at least once. Most people can't turn away

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after that for me, I the first time I experienced it, I did it

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every day for about six weeks. And at that six week I said I

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need to become a certified teacher of this. I just can't

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keep doing it and keeping it to myself. It doesn't feel right.

Unknown:

And the biggest benefit of that, like you have stated is it just

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allows you to see possibility. And you know, trust yourself,

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not fear, the change, but be able to look at that space and

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say, oh my gosh, all those things that have been on my

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list, right travel, painting, whatever it is, I get to do

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those, I get to do those now because I've taken something

Unknown:

away, that was really not right for me anyway. So it just is

Unknown:

really the key to transformation. So I am so you

Unknown:

know blessed to have come here I feel like your your energy

Unknown:

really brought out the best of my my weaving a story. So I

Unknown:

really appreciate that. And I I hope that listeners will gain

Unknown:

something from this and reach out to me and become part of

Unknown:

some of my healing groups.

Alan Carroll:

Wonderful. Well, you are a rich, rich source of

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wisdom that inspires other people. So you're an inspiration

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and I want to thank you very much for for inspiring our

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audience on the mindful you podcast. So thank you, D

Unknown:

Thanks, Alan. Take care

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Alan Carroll is an Educational Psychologist who specializes in Transpersonal Psychology. He founded Alan Carroll & Associates 30 years ago and before that, he was a Senior Sales Training Consultant for 10 years at Digital Equipment Corporation. He has dedicated his life in search of mindfulness tools that can be used by everyone (young and old) to transform their ability to speak at a professional level, as well as, to reduce the psychological suffering caused by the misidentification with our ego and reconnect to the vast transcendent dimension of consciousness that lies just on the other side of the thoughts we think and in between the words we speak.