Transforming Perspectives: Reflections on Life, Death, Failure, and Forgiveness With Donna Fairhurst

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Welcome to the mindful you podcast. I'm Alan

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Carroll. And I'm your host. And today, we have a guest who has

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traveled from the physical to the metaphysical, metaphysical

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being spiritual, and has traveled back and forth four

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times. And she describes the travels as near death

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experiences. So what's it like when you actually have moved

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over to that place of, of death, and then to be able to come back

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again, into the, into the physical, and describe what that

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experience was like. And Donna has wonderful experiences of

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that love, and that compassion, that oneness feeling that is

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there in that space beyond the physical. So I'm excited to be

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able to have her today share with you, what she has learned,

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and what she has experienced on these travels back and forth

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into that spiritual domain of consciousness. Donna, welcome.

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Welcome to the mindful you. Podcast.

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I know, I don't believe it, I know I've

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experienced it, we are all a part of the field of infinite

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unity. And that infinite Unity, Unity is God Creator Source,

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whatever that is for you, in your space, and that we are here

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and there to make a difference with our energy, we are one

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thread in the blanket of infinite unity.

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Hmm. That's a I've heard it expressed many ways.

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And that's a very beautiful way. Beautiful way to express it.

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Thank you the idea of the eyes listening now, Alan Watts and

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Alan Watts, just talking about the self and other. And he says

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the illusion is you got the self over here, which is me. And we

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got the other, which is you. And it appears to be separate. And

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he says, Well imagine a magnet has a polar opposite have that

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have the positive, the negative, they're both the same magnet,

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and they're both needed to balance out. So you need the

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other for you and you need you for the other. But it's all one

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magnets, all one field of awareness. And you have that

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realization, which to me means you've been on a journey. And I

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see the books. And so you've you've taken your journey, and

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you have shared it with the world. So we have a few minutes

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with my audience to be able to share a little bit of your

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journey, which created the breakthroughs for you to have

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the realizations in order to be able to articulate the way you

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articulated what love what's a little bit of your, your your

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journey, which ignited the flame of your passion.

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Well, I was born technically legally blind

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shortly, one year after that I contracted polio in the epidemic

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of 1952. So I survived blindness and polio. And then was really

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connected to spirit during that time, even from you know,

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infancy through to toddlerhood and to the nursery school child

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and when I started to speak a lot because I was very

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introverted child by virtue of my experiments experience. I was

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talking about angels and and the father mother, and and telling

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my mum and dad, I have another Mum and Dad, and they're over

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there. And that at the end, of course, it was very

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disconcerting for my parents. I thought I was a bit a bit too

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lolly. But they let me reel with it until I got to school and

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then they said this is going to cause too much trouble. You'd

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have to stop this nonsense. And I still would still come out in

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barn voluntarily. And then when I was 12 my mother took me to a

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psychologist hypnotherapist to have me hypnotized to remove my

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dreams is what she called them. Sure it didn't work. couldn't

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work. Get rid of the demons.

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Yes, it couldn't work. So I just recessed young

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lady, your present. Sort of Yeah, I just

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went undercover and went into the closet and

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excuse me, I'm just recovering from COVID. So I went into the

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closet and I really didn't come out. Very often. I would take a

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peek here and there and I had also cancer and two divorces and

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I had bankruptcy from a business and through 911 No fault of my

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own, and just had challenge after challenge. that grew me

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and grew me I died four times and came back to tell about it.

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And I teach from it now and live from it now and it's the fiber

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of my infinite being.

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So you've had a near death experience for that I

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can remember, lords trying to tell you something on it. Well,

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I'm

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writing these are these are compilation books

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that I contributed to I set a my outrageous goal for 2022, which

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I set on December 31. It's taped up on my desk here was the first

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goal was I will become an inspirational best selling

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author in 2020 to four days later, a woman with the same

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surname as me that we are no relation called me and said,

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I've heard a lot about you. Would you like to write a

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chapter for our compilation book? And I said, What will it

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cost? You said, zero, I'm fielding all the publishing

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costs, and every cent we make is going to breast cancer research.

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I said, I'm in Alright, anything that's very nice. In four

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months, I contributed to four best selling compilations. And

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I'm now writing my own book yo yo to God, which is my

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experience of being like a Yo yo, that he's kind of he she's

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kind of got me going up and down.

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The I've not had a near death experience, I have

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heard about near death experiences, where and so I'd

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like you to be able to describe it for the audience of what your

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experience was, that gave you that awareness that there's

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something beyond the body going on here.

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Each experience was unique in its own, and each

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one was longer and more intense than the previous one. In the

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first one I just went into, into the into light, I had no

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awareness that I had left my body or anything, I was just

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suddenly, in this space of of light. And in the space of

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light. It looked like the way I saw auras and colors because

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when I was experiencing their blindness, everybody was like a

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giant Christmas tree to me, I just saw their colors until they

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were very close to me. And then they would take shape and, and

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form but any buddy more than three feet away from me was just

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this kaleidoscope of color. We're talking auras, or it's

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yes,

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okay, so you are able to see the auras around

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you, you're able to see the energy field of the person in

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front of you.

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I've always been able to do that. It's been

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it's one of the things that I had to put in the closet,

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because I my parents didn't like me talking about everybody's

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colors. But I learned through that because that is the way

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that that I integrated the spaces I was in. So in my first

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near death experience, I just learned that all there is is

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love. That's it. On the other side there. They're hell in

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heaven. That's a human construction. The old boys wrote

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it in the book, and that's the way it is right over there. It's

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just love. There's no judgment. Everybody goes to heaven or not

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judgment is a human construction and a human condition. God has

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no judgment does not judge God he she it whatever it is for

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you, Creator Source. big spider in the sky, I've heard it

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described as many things for me, it is just the all consuming

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energy of love. And all that is the next experience led me to a

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deeper understanding of it, I was there a little bit longer.

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And I came back with one principle. And one principle

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only called the comprehensible and I took me 20 years to

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integrate that into my life and be living it for myself. And now

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it's the first principle I teach in my program, and the next

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experience, let's go

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over the comprehensible. What What do you

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mean by the calm principle?

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Well, essentially, as human beings we

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are our body is a bus that has an emotional and physical and

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mental connection to our spiritual soul which resides in

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our body. So our body is conceived. And then our soul

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joins our body. When our soul joins our body. That's when we

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have life. That's generally around the time that a mother

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would feel the first kick kind of thing. That's the soul making

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its presence known before that your dormant car waiting for

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your motor to be turned on. So the soul comes in starts taking

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over driving. You have the Mind Map heart emotional battle of

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who's in the driver's seat?

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Who's driving the show? Yeah, yeah, it's always

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the soul.

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But the ego thinks it's in charge.

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It does. So I take the mind map and the heart

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map and I bring it together to explain this space of sacred

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soul self and how love and grace, self and soul combine in

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that space. And from that is the comprehensible because as

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humans, we tend to have have the experience of being in a state

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of evaluation or judgment of people, places and situations.

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When we are in the mindmap. We are in chaos and incoherence,

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the mind doesn't know anything else, but chaos and incoherence,

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because it's always jumping from one thing to another. And the

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only job it has is to keep you safe. So when you step outside

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the box, and do think feel be anything that doesn't feel safe

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to the ego mind is going to shut you down and have you evaluating

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everything. And when you evaluate everything, you create

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more chaos and incoherence, you're in the mind map, it's not

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heart centered. To create common coherence, you have to find

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value in every person, place or situation good, bad or

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indifferent. There's a value there, because at some point,

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you made a choice to show up in this experience to learn from

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it. So if you show up to learn from it, then you move into

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chaos, common common coherence, and then you're finding value,

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you are creating soulful solutions, and the cycle

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repeats.

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I do, I do a demonstration. And I talk about

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the the opposite of calmness is agitation. I take a bottle and I

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shake up the glitter. I said when you get agitated, you're

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all agitated. But when you are able to take the breath, and

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you're able to breathe, all of a sudden, everything becomes calm

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and clear. And the challenge of it is is how do you how do you

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manage those thoughts, which is the is the mind map you're

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talking about, which is very chaotic. It's a it's a it's a

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mental storm going on inside your head, especially when you

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see something you don't like. Yeah, then then you get really

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upset. And that's that's affected your identity, some

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somebody has attacked your identity, which is your ego. But

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with that love place, love places like the sky, rather than

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the clouds, you identify with the sky, which is the Beingness.

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And all of a sudden, you see the thought, but the gravitational

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effect that the thought has on you. I make that decision.

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Myself.

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Yes, it's all a divine choice that you make. You

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know, and I have so many people talk about failure, failure. And

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forgiveness has been a big theme from tool for 2022. And there is

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no failure. Failure is simply a tool to challenge us to dig deep

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and rediscover our gifts and then apply them in our divine

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mission that we chose before we ever came in here.

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However, the problem with most folks is

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failure is looked upon as as bad as something to avoid, not to

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reveal. Keep it hidden, keep it secret, Keep it keep it in the

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closet. Because if I if I if you saw me and branded me as a

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failure, then you wouldn't want to be with me.

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Well, then, then you're totally in chaos and

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incoherence and not no close to calm because you're judging

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yourself or you're letting other people judge you and

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because you're judged. You bet, you bet and you

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and mindfulness is to be in the moment. And with no thought, and

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no thought a judgment is a thought. And so when you are not

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judging, I teach the course of miracles. And in the Course of

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Miracles, the 365 lessons very first lesson is whatever you see

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in your environment, your hands, your ideas, everything in your

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environment, has no meaning. What do you mean it has no

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meaning? It has no no judgment, there's no, there's no, there's

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no words you're going to use to describe good, bad, right?

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Wrong. It doesn't have any meaning and immediately the ego.

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Of course, it has a meaning cities, pictures of my family.

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And the second lesson is everything you see you add the

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meaning to so you paint the description in your mind. And

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most people don't realize that they don't realize that you

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paint the description of what you see, versus because then I

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can paint it differently. I can paint it exactly the way you

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were talking about that I am a I'm a force of the Lord and the

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force of the God God cannot do for me what God cannot do

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through me. So allows me to be loving and kind and

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compassionate and and that's the clear sky and not non

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judgmental, clarity and calm.

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That's what I experienced in my second near

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death experience. And shortly after that, I was really blessed

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to have somebody put Neale Donald Walsch, his conference

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first conversations with God book in my hand. And it was the

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first time in my life. I felt validated. Yeah, I felt that I

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know that Yes, yes, I am this Yes. And I actually have never

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written to a person before like that. And I sat down and wrote

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this long, long letter, and then I wasn't going to mail it. And I

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had it in my purse and I took it out and I was going to rip it up

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and throw it in the garbage. And one of the people working for me

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accidentally picked it up when I wasn't at my desk and put it in

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the mail. So it went. Seven days later, I'm in my little house in

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the cabin in the Rockies, and my phone rings and Hi, Donna. This

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is Neil. Neil Neil who Neale Donald Walsch. He wrote to me, I

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want to have a discussion. And I literally, I had this long

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tension cord on my thank God extension cord on my phone, and

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I just kind of leaned against the wall and sunk down onto the

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floor and said, Who Katie? And it was so wonderful. For the

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first time in my life, I felt expansion in a way that I was

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understood. Yes, it was just coming out of the closet in a

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big way for me spiritually. And I absolutely adore that man was

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fortunate to be in many of his workshops, and I'm grateful that

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he was a vehicle for me to find myself.

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Yep, yep. When when things like that happen, it

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really validates this idea that there's somebody else running

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the show here other than you. And just relax. Go with the

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flow. forgiveness. Forgiveness is a big deal. And most people

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have a very difficult time forgiving. And because I've been

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wronged, Donna, I've been wrong. And for me to forgive you. That

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is, that is that would entail the sacrifice of my righteous

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wrath. I'm not going to sacrifice my righteous wrath.

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I'm not going to I'm not going to that's the total denial of

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the truth. No, God damn it. So the ego really wants to defend

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the fact that it's been been been attacked, and but

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forgiveness. How would you describe forgiveness in your

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reality and the importance of

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forgiveness is the ability to move beyond

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judgment to find and create value in every experience to

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expand your consciousness and your awareness of all that is.

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Go ahead, say that again. That's beautiful. Oh,

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gosh,

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I really feel I have a hard time re re iterating

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the same thing.

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It's just, just just recreate it doesn't have to

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be the exact same words, just recreating what you just said,

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forgiveness

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is a space and a gift that you give yourself to

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expand beyond the planet, the human plane of judgment and

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conditions, and failure and challenge to make a choice, a

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conscientious heart centered choice to find value in whatever

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person, place or situation is put in your path, that it is for

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your higher growth, yes, and how you choose deliberately from

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Sacred soul, self and heart centered. My goal is to show

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teach, embody, how to marry the mind, map with the heart map to

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create sacred soul self, from which, when you're in a

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situation that you are not feeling the love, for whatever

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reason, you can't bring yourself to that space of love. You can

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then pull out of the deck of your life choices, the grace

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card, because grace is the trump of love. You can be grace when

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you can't be or feel love. And we all have had experiences in

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our life, where we could not feel love and find value in the

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person, place or situation in front of us to deal with. If we

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take a step back, take a breath and lean into grace. We can cope

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with conscious awareness and go through grace to love

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and grace is connected with forgiveness.

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Absolutely the first thing you have to do is

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forgive yourself for anything, everything that you ever thought

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was ever wrong. out of sync bad. Everything you ever did. You

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have to forgive yourself

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and what would forgiving myself look like? Joy

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do I have to say something to myself be like go What a burden.

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Say, Allen, you're gonna forgive yourself for the is there

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something I can do actively to practice forgiveness,

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there's any number of things we can do. The

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most important thing is to find value in love you do what you

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love, love what you do, be who you love, show the people you

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love that love and lead them to know how to forgive, because you

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are the model of it.

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Wow. That's wonderful. That's wonderful.

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What a, what a, just just a just touching little surface of a

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conversation with with you has been really a bright light of

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meeting somebody who is able to articulate that trance, the

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abstraction of what we're talking about, from a heart

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experiential point of view, which makes it real, and it's

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not a, it's not a it's not a belief system. It's a it's an

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experience. And that is really a goldmine. because not a lot of

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people have that experience. And it's nice to know that that

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experience exist, that gives people hope, that that suffering

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that we experience in the physical with the ego, there's a

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there's a way out of here, if you're interested in being a way

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out, and I see that you're a healer, interested in being a

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guide, who is a guide, guiding people out of the chaos into

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that calm, clear space, which I call mindfulness. The all the

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being mukti, Nirvana, enlightenment, that empty space

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of nothingness, in which there is no judgment. And there is no

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right or wrong. All there is is stillness, and calmness and

Alan Carroll: 00:21:53

peacefulness and love and careful and then you speak with

Alan Carroll: 00:22:00

the love energy, not the ego energy, you speak with the love

Alan Carroll: 00:22:04

energy and you and you speak with the love energy. So I

Alan Carroll: 00:22:07

really appreciate the love you've given me today. And the

Alan Carroll: 00:22:11

and the stories that you shared. They're very, they're very

Alan Carroll: 00:22:14

moving. They're very moving stories.

Donna Fairhurst: 00:22:16

Thank you so much. I've been blessed with a

Donna Fairhurst: 00:22:19

with what people would think were insurmountable challenges.

Donna Fairhurst: 00:22:23

And at the time I was in them. I thought they were internet, you

Donna Fairhurst: 00:22:28

know, insurmountable challenges until I made a choice that they

Donna Fairhurst: 00:22:30

weren't. Yep. And as soon as you make that choice that you are

Donna Fairhurst: 00:22:34

not the challenge. You are the solution to the challenge.

Donna Fairhurst: 00:22:38

That's why I call my company soulful solutions. So full fu ll

Donna Fairhurst: 00:22:43

Yeah. From when you're in that sacred soul self, you can create

Donna Fairhurst: 00:22:46

soul based solutions.

Alan Carroll: 00:22:48

Very exciting. How will my audience be able to

Alan Carroll: 00:22:51

contact you, Donna?

Donna Fairhurst: 00:22:52

Oh, the most simple way is my website www dot

Donna Fairhurst: 00:22:56

Donna fair hearst.com. On the website, you're going to find

Donna Fairhurst: 00:23:00

all the contact information for me you can get my clearing and

Donna Fairhurst: 00:23:03

manifesting prayer and a complimentary zero to clarity 30

Donna Fairhurst: 00:23:08

minute session.

Alan Carroll: 00:23:09

Well, thank you very much. And I really enjoy

Alan Carroll: 00:23:12

the opportunity of of talking to a fellow a fellow being on the

Alan Carroll: 00:23:17

path to spread inspiration. Thank you.

Donna Fairhurst: 00:23:21

Let the journey continue.

Alan Carroll: 00:23:23

God bless. God bless you.