Episode 46

Harmony Within: Navigating The Mind Through Yoga Meditation, Overcoming Negative Bias, Cultivating Stillness, And Shifting to Positive Thoughts With NaRon Tillman

Welcome to "Mindful You," where host Alan Carroll engages in a thought-provoking conversation with NaRon Tillman. In this insightful episode, they delve into the transformative power of yoga meditation, exploring the nuances of negative bias and the art of cultivating stillness within. Discover the profound ability to shift anxious thoughts towards positivity, understanding that everything unfolds within the realm of the mind. The discussion extends to the concepts of disembodied and embodied states, offering a unique perspective on the mind-body connection. Tune in as they explore the philosophy of giving up something to attain your goals, creating a space for mindfulness and self-discovery. Join Alan and NaRon on a journey of introspection and growth on the "Mindful You" podcast.

About The Guest:

NaRon Tillman is the grand master of the practice of mindfulness and spiritual maturity. He possesses a unique teaching style forged through his upbringing in the housing projects in Far Rockaway, NY. He is a rare combination of deep Christian faith, traditional Pastoring, as well as being a transformational yoga and mindfulness teacher serving as director of Urban Yogis (urbanyogis.org). NaRon is the host of Walk In Victory Podcast, producer of The Mindful Marketer training program, husband, dad, and he loves his brothers and sisters in Christ.

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About Alan:

Alan Carroll is an Educational Psychologist who specializes in Transpersonal Psychology. He founded Alan Carroll & Associates 30 years ago and before that, he was a Senior Sales Training Consultant for 10 years at Digital Equipment Corporation. He has dedicated his life in search of mindfulness tools that can be used by everyone (young and old) to transform their ability to speak at a professional level, as well as, to reduce the psychological suffering caused by the misidentification with our ego and reconnect to the vast transcendent dimension of consciousness that lies just on the other side of the thoughts we think and in between the words we speak.

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Transcript
Alan Carroll:

Welcome back to another episode of the mindful

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you podcast. I'm Alan Carroll. And I have the privilege and the

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fun of being a host in the space of mindfulness. And we get to

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listen to various people who have chosen various paths in

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order to contribute the benefits of mindfulness to the world

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around them. And today, neuron. Tillman is our guest neuron.

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Interesting. He born and raised Queens, New York outside of

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Manhattan, tough environment, violent environment, crime and

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crime environment, drug environment, addiction

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environment, noise environment, always moving always loud, boom,

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boom, boom, boom, boom. And he transformed out of that

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environment, through the practice of meditation through

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the practice of yoga, practice of breathing, practice of

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mindfulness. And then he got connected with Deepak Chopra,

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his foundation of bringing this dimension of healing, the yoga,

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the meditation and the breathing into the inner city schools,

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where the agitation is extreme. And he shared a story in the

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beginning that he came to the principals of schools of nine

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and it won't work around here. They can't, they can't sit still

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for and do things like that they're always moving. And so

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what he did is he started the mindful exercises with body

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movement, and entered into that stillness, exercise. And he

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said, after a series of lessons, the group who was always

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agitated, was able to actually close her eyes and become still

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for 10 minutes. And that was a major breakthrough that

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disrupted the automaticity of their life. So they begin to

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wake up and begin to have more of a choice. And then he talks

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about how it affects the physical body, and the health of

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the physical body. So he's sharing and plot Plus, he's also

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a preacher, from the Pentecostal direction, and a lot of energy

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in that church. And so he's able to bring in flavors of

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Christianity, the wisdom of the Bible, the result of the

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Christianity point of view, and tied in with a mindfulness point

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of view. And he said, After practicing mindfulness and

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meditation for 11 years, his understanding of the Scriptures

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has totally changed. Totally changed. What he was looking at

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the scriptures 11 years ago, and now what he sees is different,

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as he has attained that state of mindfulness. So it was fun

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talking with neuron. And I'm sure that you will also enjoy

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his talking, and how he brings the healing Enos of mindfulness

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not only to the inner city schools, but to all over all

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over to corporations to foundations in order to bring

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that healing energy to those people who has a lot of

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agitation and need to become more still. So please welcome

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neuron, Tillman to the mindful you, podcast. And who am I

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clapping for? I'm clapping for neuron. Tillman. And why am I

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clapping today for the Ron Tillman, I'll tell you why. He

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has spent the last 11 years playing in a space that is not a

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comfortable space. And, and he's been able to bring mindfulness,

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the tools of mindfulness, the healing of mindfulness into a

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space, which is, as as he described to me is, I would say,

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a lot of agitation. And mindfulness is about stillness.

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So anybody who can bring stillness, into a space of

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agitation is a healer, healing that suffering that is caused by

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the agitation. So I have today ladies and gentlemen, a healer,

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a healer from New York City, and his name is neurone. Tillman, I

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want to welcome you and also thank you, neuron for the work

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that you're doing, and environments that are that are

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in need. he'd have work like that. So I'd like to pass the

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baton or pass the mic over to you. And have you described a

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little bit about who you are and how you got to do what you're

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doing. And really, I was just going to be fun to hear you

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talk, because to bring healing into that environment is a gift

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from God. So go ahead and introduce.

NaRon Tillman:

Thank you, Alan, for having me on. take delight

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in being able to share with you and audience about mindfulness

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in the work that we do. I'm a pastor have been pastoring for

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2015 years. I've been preaching since I was 24. I just turned

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48. So 24 years. And it's a it's a weird Road, me learning

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mindfulness. I'm from a Pentecostal background. And

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during Hurricane Sandy, I met my teacher, Eddie Stern, who

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happens to be working in a community that I grew up in that

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was hard hit by Sandy. And he brought me in as a mentor to

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work with some new for young adults in another area of

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Queens. And it would teach them yoga and mindfulness. And I said

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to myself, that part of Queens, I got to see this. So I went,

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and I kept coming back, and I kept coming back. And that was

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about 11 or 12 years ago. And I started out as a mentor to them,

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just bringing them basic mentorship. So they were

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teaching the best of mindfulness practices to youth and young

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adults through Deepak Chopra, his vision and Eric afford

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revision. So

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let's, let's just slow down that because that's

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the I'm not too familiar with Erica, but I'm definitely

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familiar with Deepak. So so go ahead and share with our

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audience who may not know who Deepak Chopra is. So

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Deepak Chopra is a world renowned mindset coach, I

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call him but he's a scientist. And he, and he, and he's really

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beneficial. And bringing all of this together. We went, we'd

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have some certification and meditation through the Chopra

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Foundation, and, and all of that, and this was his

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brainchild. He met Erica and Erica was angry because of gun

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violence. And she was saying nobody's doing anything. And

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then he calls the question, did you try meditation. And she was

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like, if you helped me get a program, I'll try meditation.

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And he helped build the program. 11 years later, we have urban

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Yogi's. And, and it was a beautiful thing. So we started

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out in that area. And from that journey from that beginning,

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from that seed being planted, me being a preacher just saying to

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myself, that these guys are not going to do meditation in the

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middle of the projects, because we were in a house with they

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call it housing projects. And I'm watching them do it. And I'm

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watching them come back weekend and week out. And I started to

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practice,

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you started to practice the yoga and

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meditation. I

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started to practice yoga and meditation, I was doing

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meditation, I thought I was doing yoga. And when I started

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practicing, I realized that I didn't know anything about

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meditation, anything about you. And it got me deeper into the

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practice. And they opened up my mindset, to the possibilities of

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real using imagination and stuff. And what really helped me

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to get deeper into the practice. And I didn't start teaching just

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yet. I was mentoring them on lifestyle, stuff I had about

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like high blood pressure. And I used to go into the schools and

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sell the program to the schools. And I'm telling the schools

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about all the wonderful benefits of this program, right? helps to

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bring down hypertension, it helps to bring down helps to

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broaden the focus, it helps to do this, it helps to do that.

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And I got in my car and I was like, I'm here, I was taking

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this medicine. And it was making me feel lethargic. And I was

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like I'm telling them that all these benefits that mindfulness

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meditation and yoga does, and I'm not even really living out

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to benefits. Right, right. Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Four days a week, hour and a half day, sometimes five

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days will be blood pressure change, everything's started.

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Life started looking different from for me, my understanding of

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Scripture, I will meditate on Scripture as my understanding

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for scripture starting broader so now I can really I became

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engrossed in the thing that I was saying that was going to

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help you for young adult. I realized that it can help me to

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just not nice

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as teaching and it's it's been a it's been a

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wonderful journey. We've been We've been highlighted on Good

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Morning America, local news. For the work that we do, we've

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worked with Sonim Foundation, bring we were able to bring yoga

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in schools we, because we had a foundation behind us. And so in

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California, we were able to fight against the institution

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that said yoga was a religion. And, and it wanted to ban yoga

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and mindfulness work from schools. So we've been able to

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be a product that's

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in California, they were talking about that.

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Yes, California is usually the people that are the leading edge

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of yoga and meditation, not the ones that are gay

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in San Francisco, but Sao Paulo walks out, they

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wonder, one of the mothers was, was a devout Christian and she

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viewed yoga, like we were, we were trying to teach religion,

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the religion of yoga, indoctrinate their child with

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yoga practices. We work with NFL three play 60 in Kansas City and

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the Kansas City Chiefs. We've done a lot with the Chicago

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Bulls Foundation, Hilton foundation. So we've, we've been

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able to move from just focusing in on in a city, and our slogan

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was healthy, happy kids, to now yoga is for everybody. It

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doesn't matter. If you're a kid, if you're in school, whatever

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your yoga is for everybody, and mindfulness. And a mindful work

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is for everyone.

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Boy, what a what a mission, that you're on what

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your being a preacher to being a preacher of wanting, wanting to

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preach, wanting to spread the word out. So you get to choose

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what words that you want to spread. And if you're spreading

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the words of mindfulness in the words of meditation and the

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words of yoga and the words of spirituality and Deepak Chopra,

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and, and this this, this space, represents a big, big, powerful

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energy of stillness. And boy, that's a good way of describing

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because people become in meditation, let's talk about

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Alright, so now we got 11 years of research. What? So yeah, so

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what what has changed? What what has changed in the statistics of

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my mathematician scientific Deepak Chopra? Okay, so how many

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students did this what Jade? Sure, show me some facts, you

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know, in Iran, and maybe I'll donate some money.

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So when we go into a school, right? You have, you

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have this different dynamic. We learned about in church, we call

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it sin, sin, sin, inherited sin, but in science, they call it

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negative bias, right? I grew up in New housing projects, but

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it's not in science. They call it what

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negative

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bias negative bias and get we link, our thought process

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leads to more negative influence more negative impressions, more

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so than positive impressions.

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So sin would be towards the negative side. The

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other side all right, I got it. All right, negative thoughts and

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all right, sort

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of negative thoughts. But imagine growing up in an

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environment where it is a food desert. Violence, you become

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numb to sex you become numb to addictions, whether is drug

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addictions, alcohol addictions, that all this is all at your,

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that you're inundated with all day. So your first impressions

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that are in your mind are all of these compounding biases are

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compounding things that tells you that these are okay, this is

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okay to just punch somebody in the face to just take something

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that don't belong to you to do because you're in survival mode.

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And then what we ingest actually helps to trigger these these

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biases or these things that now become our through our

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subconscious thought process. This becomes our auto Matic

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motion. This is what we do. So when I go into school, and I say

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to principal, we do yoga, I'm going to bring up the first

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thing that the principal said, our kids want to do that. So

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when we when we're able to get a youth or young adult at a

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certain age, we can start to slow down the process and you

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start to see them come into life. I think you're frozen. On

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here I'm frozen. It's not frozen as Mesmer is

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mesmerized. You're so relevant.

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So Alan, you start to see them coming to life, right?

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You start to you start to see people doing moves Bringing back

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the child like mindset, you start to see them passing

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classes because they can sit down and focus, you start to get

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them to keep quiet. So when I when I, when I go into a

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classroom, and imagine now all of that now in the education

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system, there's 35 to 40 kids in the class in these communities.

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So I have to start with trying to get them to be quiet for one

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minute. The reason why we use movement and and because I was a

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kid who couldn't sit still. So I said, we have to have movement

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we have to do, because I've worked with other organizations

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that just wanted to do breathing and meditation, like you can't

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go into a community of people that always move in and then

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tell them to sit down. So the movement and the breath work

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with the movement, gets them move, gets them up, gets them

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going. Now if I can get them to be quiet for a minute to shut

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down the computer, and I can start putting in some of these

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positive affirmations. For one, every negative thought think of

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three positive thoughts to reinforce that. Get them

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breathing in the nostrils, touching the brain, given the

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breadth of color, for when you breathe in, and light color, and

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fill it like filling your body like a balloon when you breathe

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out a dark color. And that darkness is the violence that

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you think if I can get them to just start to listen to their

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own subconscious thoughts. So a lot of times I get them to

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listen to what is your most dominant thought and thinking

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about food, I think, and you should hear some of the stuff

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that people blurt out because they are so uncomfortable. We

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are so uncomfortable being silent, because we grow up in

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this environment where it's always noise. The gunshots the

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music is loud. The TV is loud, we we talk to each other, we

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play cards, we talk loud, we go to a party is noise noise noise.

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Now I'm saying and even in church, everything is loud.

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Someone are coming out, say everybody just be quiet.

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Somebody's gotta make a fart sound or do something because

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they can't sit in silence. But then six months in, it's moved

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from a minute. And I put that time. And I'm like, wow, I got

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them to sit for 10 minutes in silence. No fart silence. No

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biting, wiggling, nobody touching the person next to

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them. Nobody trying to whisper it's a powerful thing.

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You bet. You bet. The ability to become still, you

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point you make so many points about the environment that I

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don't live in the environment that you described. I tried to

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live in an environment where Superman lived on Antarctica

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called the Fortress of Solitude. I want to I want to close the

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door, I want to eliminate all noise. I want to get the most

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stillness environment that I can possibly get. And if you have

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any connections to the university, I think it's

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Berkeley has a room that is so quiet. That you know maybe it's

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Salt Lake City, you can hear your breath. And it's so loud

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because the room is so that stillness, the way you described

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it. What I loved about it was it's doable. It's doable. It's

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not. It's not woowoo. Maybe you can't No. Notice that every

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thought that you think there's no there's no space at all,

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between the thoughts that you speak. And there's no space

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between the thoughts that you think. So if we can disrupt

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that, if we can, if we can do a disruptive technology to the

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pattern of the speaking by inserting emptiness and silence

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between the sounds, to have the realization that there is an

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empty space between this sound and this sound, and that opens

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the portal that allows you to drop into that space of sea of

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emptiness. That is that that reduces the suffering that

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you're experiencing on the surface in the storm. And so you

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are calming the waters. And Jesus did that. I believe

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somewhere in the scriptures. You are leading us beside the still

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waters. You are guiding us you are demonstrating what what what

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in Christianity they've written all over the place, but you're

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able to bring that healing the Spirit of God into the schools

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now. Watch out with that one. Because people are gonna say no

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Religion in the schools will religion is. Religion is

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spiritual healing, the purpose of religion is to, to bring

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peace, stillness. So anyway, you got to do that. And boy,

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wonderful things you've been doing. This is great.

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Congratulations.

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few churches now. And they're seniors, and trying to bring

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back motion and movement. But we use breathwork, silence and

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meditation and visualization. I've learned over the last few

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years, talking to some of my quantum physics buddies, about

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the power of visualization, about the power of futuristic

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thinking, and how that is actually helping with, with the

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work that we've already been doing. The great thing about

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energy. And the great thing about the laws of attraction is

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if you start putting something in motion, gotta bring people in

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your path that help you move forward and give you great ideas

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to help you with the work that you're doing. So with our

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seniors, we were talking about, again, and communities that we

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eat, we may have bad diets, fried chicken, collard greens,

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and all that stuff. Stuff that brings inflammation in the body,

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stuff that causes disease to fester in the body, stuff that

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causes our limbs to tighten up and there, there's no motion,

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there's no proper breath work, there's no so I spit in our, in

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some facilities, working with senior citizens. And we talk

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about breathwork. And I can say to them, be mindful. Now how can

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I say, these are in church context, because of me, being a

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pastor, I know how the scriptures now look different to

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me than I did when I first started pastoring.

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Give me an example. Show me that you have

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one in mind that has a new revelation to it.

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Yes. So the Bible says Be anxious for nothing. But in

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all things to prayer and supplication, let your requests

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be made known to God thinks on those things. Don't think of the

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thing that makes you anxious. So that Be anxious for nothing

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means don't be don't don't have the thoughts of anxiety. But I

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want you to shift your anxious bring your conscious thoughts,

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to think on those things which are lovely. Think on those

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things which are pure. Think on those things which have a good

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report, sing songs that make you happy. Think on those things. So

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the the thing is that what opened up to me is that before

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we would look up to heaven, and tell God to bring down

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blessings. The carpet sent down the blessing and we were crying

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out Yeah. And we're waiting for blessings to come. But when I

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saw that scripture revolutionized me, he didn't

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say, wait for me to send down blessing. He said, I don't want

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you to be anxious, I want you to think I want you to take the

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actions. Think on those things which are pure. In other words,

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I want you to transform, I want you to rewire the way that you

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are thinking. So when I have you in a meditative stance, I can

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use that scripture in meditation. This is what you're

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doing. I want you to shift your thoughts from the things that's

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making you anxious, and start thinking of some things that

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make you smile, start thinking of some things. So what I do

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with the singers visualization, I say think about something that

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you used to love doing that you can't do no more. Whether it's

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dancing, singing and visualize that visualize yourself doing

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that thing. If he was playing sports, visualize yourself

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playing sports. Now think of the you in the present time doing

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those things. What does that look like? The present you doing

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something that you used to love doing that you can't do no more.

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That's why we're here. So we can get the mobility back. So when I

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was coming up, grandma used to say, we thank God for the

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activities of our lives. And then they're like, Yeah, all

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right. So now let's get those limbs active again. Right?

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Because we thinking on those things. So we remove the number

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one, I can do all things and they finish to Christ extract

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me. So I don't want you to come into my class telling me I can't

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do it. I don't want you to come in and say Ha, the doctor said I

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can't. Right. So we talked about micro movements. I may not be

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able to do this today, but I want you to monitor

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and do this. Yeah, yeah, I can do

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this. Yeah, right. And if I keep doing this through repetition,

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through coming back to sitting in that chair, to get on that

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mat, if I keep doing this, eventually I'll be able to do

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this. I have a class on Wednesday nights that were 90%

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Chair bound. None of them have chairs no more. I call one of

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the ladies Mama Mama through to walk away she comes in and she's

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on a mat, she does downward upward dogs, she does some

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citation, a modified citation beaks keeps those arms up she

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can, she can do some things that some of the younger ladies can

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do. Because she kept coming back, and wants to see it work

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to see them get their lives back. I'm not I'm talking about

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but I do want to share an experience that just happened to

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me. I work in a homeless shelter. And I was teaching a

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mother and daughter. And it's a six week program. And it's a

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train to train and we train other people to do. So. We want

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to go into the facility that was using this facility as a model.

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So that we can build in a facility a mindfulness program

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to urban Yogi's, and the mother has had a disease, I don't want

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to say what it was because I can't remember whether it's

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lupus or Ms. But it meant she wasn't she was chair about. And

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she walk with a walker, but she she really was chair. And we,

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during this practice, I play affirmations in the background.

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So and I am I am healed, I am. And these things are playing

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while we're doing a yoga. And that's becoming an is, you know,

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I'm helping them to reimagine they don't know what he's doing.

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But it's putting new impressions into the subconscious while we

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do our practice. So I told him to think of something that you

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want to do that you can't do now stain visualization, she said,

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she's engaged, and she wants to be able to walk down the aisle.

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So one day, she gets up out of a chair, and she starts walking

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around the room. And her daughter's behind her. And she's

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shaking, and she's walking her and I am is going and she's

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saying it out loud. She goes to the doctor, she has a trauma, a

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traumatic experience. This is the one Wednesday night that we

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can a body goes through trauma, the resistance comes she tells

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the director I can't do that no more is making me sick. She

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didn't see the small movement, the micro movement and victory.

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All she could do was lean. And I never got a chance to talk to

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her again. Because I can't get into the facility. I don't I

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don't have that. Because I can explain to her. What happens is

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the negative bias is going to rise up because that's what it

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says I own your body. She I'm hopefully I'm gonna do an event

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this afternoon. We're doing it we do yoga pop ups. I pray that

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she comes out

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yeah. Let's let's just say this, this the

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alignment on that we pray that she shows up today. And

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that this is what happens. When you start to when

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you start to think and transform, we start to see

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transformation. It gets worse. And then it gets better to see

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goes into the dark and then it harvests into reality.

Alan Carroll:

Very, very sweet. Very sweet. You you describe

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something about Eckhart Tolle, who's a good friend of Deepak

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Chopra. I've watched them on YouTube together, talks about

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the the thought that you're thinking most people you said

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65 80,000 thoughts a day, go go go through your mind. And, and

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Raja Yoga is about the management of the thoughts that

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that you think. And one of the basic things that you want to be

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able to do is to be aware that you're thinking, and once I'm

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aware that I'm thinking, then it can begin to choose about, is

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there beneficial? Is there benefits falling in this train

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of thought? Is it harming my physical body. And so

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immediately you realize those negative thoughts are physically

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harming your physical body. And now I have the power to shift my

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focus to things that are of a higher vibration. And I then

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begin to speak in a way in which the Course of Miracles talks

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about God cannot do for you. God cannot do for you, God help me,

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God for you, that God cannot do through you. And when you start

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to believe that you have the power to speak, to speak for the

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Word of God, what would you say? Why would you do it? What you

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would say would be love and compassion and joy and peace and

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stillness and mindfulness? These are the things that you would

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say if you're a god, no run. But you're saying this right now. So

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you you speak for you speak. You speak for the song of the Holy

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Spirit. I mean, it's it comes through mindfulness and the Holy

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Spirit are definitely connected. And I'm in your scripture. So

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I'd like to just just tap into that. What is the connection

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that you see? When we talk about the Holy Spirit, the Spirit

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beyond the physical and the mindfulness and the medicine

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nation as a bridge to build to get to that space of, of

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emptiness of spiritual where the Holy Spirit lives.

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The question, there's blockers that that come from. So

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we've talked about when when we talk about salvation, the

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misnomer is that we're being redeemed from a dark place,

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darkness and translated into light. So this translation

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happens most in a religious context, everything happens

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externally. But in its truest form, the pure response,

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everything happens mentally, in the mind.

Alan Carroll:

Yeah, let's take say that again, because that's a

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big deal. So, Say that one again, and add a little more

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meat to it. Because the the idea that what you create in your

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mind comes first is like, pretty important stuff.

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Yes. So in religious context, everything happens on

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the outside, meaning I go to church, I put on a suit. I got

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my Bible under my arm. I don't read it. But I have it. Yeah. I

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sing in a choir, I started to acquire all these. Yeah. And

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they say, I've been to church, all my life, all my life. But

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But you've been in church, but have you been renewed in the

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mind? Have you been transformed by the renewing of your mind?

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Have you been translated from darkness into light? So when we

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lose, use low vibration words, as believers, like I want? What

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the Bible says, I shall not want. But where does that

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happen? That happens first in the mind. Everything has to be

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realized in their minds. So the illuminating process of the

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Spirit, we talked about those words that play out and I had

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all of those thoughts that come across, but in between each

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thought were Deepak says is there there's a gap in between

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thoughts. And that's where the Spirit rests. That's where we

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found our sweet spot.

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There's a gap between the thoughts. So to say

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that, again,

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the gap in between the thoughts, it may seem like we

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have one long thought, but in between each start is it's a

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movement, it's a movement, what meditation and what, when we

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meditate, and I did a whole series on prayer and meditation,

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and why combining the two was important. what prayer does is

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prayer shapes, we use our words to help shape our thought. What

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meditation does is help open the gap, so that we can rest in the

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place of what we call discernment. That's where we get

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our discernment from a spirit or open up, would someone say our

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third eye, if we're not exercising, that we're going to

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have religious thoughts without being able to operate within the

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spirit of those doors. So we have people who say I love God,

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but then they'll go bomb a building. Because they feel like

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they're doing God a favor. But if they tap into that quiet

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place where the Spirit dwells, the more we tap in, the wider

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the longer the thoughts come, the more you start to see the

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gap in between each of those thoughts, the more things begin

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to slow down, it's like being a rookie playing football. And

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they say, I see Go Sam Darnell, and being a veteran that says,

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Oh, that guy moved to the left, I know that he's about to try to

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blitz, right, because he's, he's spent time in the study room,

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spent time with the Spirit, the Spirit, when we sing songs in

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church, and this is something I had to really come across him.

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When I sound like this, I sound anti church, and I'm not, we

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say, I want the spirit to come down. And we're pointing people

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to everything on a spiritual plane, from the outward. When

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everything that the person need is already inside of them, what

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we need to do is point them, redirect them to focus on what's

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already built in side of us, and tap into that which we already

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have. And then we start to see how everything slows down.

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Everything starts to make sense. And God doesn't become this big

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thing other than us, God dwells in us.

Alan Carroll:

Beautiful, beautiful, the, the the idea in

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Buddhism, of the distinction they make between a state of

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disembodied mind. And the way I would describe this embodiment

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is that you're lost in the thoughts. You're in the monkey

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mind of the thoughts, the thoughts and thoughts and

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thoughts. So 65,000 thoughts all day long, but thought thought

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thought. And then they say, well, there's another state of

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consciousness, called the embodied state of consciousness,

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and the embodied state of consciousness and you're saying

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goodbye to the disembodied state of consciousness and you're

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saying hello to the, to the to an embodied state. Well, where's

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this embodied state? Well, I wonder where the N body state

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is. And so Breathing is embody, the grounding of your feet is

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embodied. The visualization is a show that's going on, in bodied,

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it's not a movie theater outside, it's a movie theater on

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the inside. And so the more time that you're able to be embodied,

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the further away you get from the disembodied state, which is

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the thoughts. And the thoughts are like the gravity, the closer

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the thought, the stronger the gravity, the further the thought

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is away, the weaker the gravity. So the more you go in, the

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further the gravity becomes. And so the influence that that

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thought has on your actions becomes nothing. But in the

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beginning, it was everything. But there

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was everything, nothing is nothing. And, you know, when

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I when I began to meditate, and begin to do this practice, I saw

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myself as a part of creation.

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Not what said again, a power

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as a part of creation, oh,

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part of you are a part of creation

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of all of creation. So yeah, I look at I look at all

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Creation differently. So when we talk about grounding is what

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triggered that thought. It was before he like, Oh, we're taught

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like we're better than the trees were better than in that

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context. Because we have a will, does it make us better, we are

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part of creation. And then we if we respect, all that, all that

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is embodied in creation, that all things were created for him

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by his good pleasure, then we have a better understanding of

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our place in creation. And not as a sovereign person or a

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sovereign being in creation, but as a participant in creation to

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bring forward love and harmony in the world. And

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as you park the waves, between the thoughts, you

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realized is a blank canvas there, and you then have the

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power to paint on that Canvas, what you want to see outside.

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And so obviously, I'll paint love, kindness and compassion.

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And all of a sudden, I speak love, kindness, compassion, I

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see love, kindness, compassion. And that's all I see. Because

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that's my that's my reality. But what do you have to give up?

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What do you have to give up? What hat? What do you got to

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give up to park them waves? You got to give up something big in

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order to do that. And most people, no way. Am I gonna give

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that up new way. Oh, hold on that to the day I die. Jesus

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told.

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I was always I was on a train yesterday, on my way to

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teach a class and I started thinking about the Scripture, we

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die daily. And I was like, Wow, I'm wondering, I really want to

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dive into what does that mean? We die daily. So we have to give

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up some stuff. What did I have to give up? I had to give up

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potato chips.

Alan Carroll:

No, no, no, we're not giving up potato chips. No,

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that's not. That's not

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my daddy been eating. Right. I had to go in. I know

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that sounds funny. But it was difficult because that was a

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snack that I lived with all my life. I can't remember not

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having potato chips. Right? Right. So but if I know that

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it's harming me, I had to give up baking. I know that it's

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home, because I'm aware now of what it's doing to me. So I keep

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doing it. And I go to the doctor, he's like, you gotta get

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your cholesterol down. And I go, Okay, I'm gonna get it down. But

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then I go, we'll have a bacon sandwich. I'm just aware of the

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ramifications of it. But I'm not actually giving anything up.

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Right? The number three killer in the world, not in America in

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the world. Number one and two fluctuates is heart disease and

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cancer fluctuates. Number three is medicine,

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medicine, medicine, the medicine that we

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take medicine

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that we think it's telling us.

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Let you talk to my wife, she's a big believer in

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not going to hospitals and watch those watch out for those

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Western doctors. They wanted they want to treat you with

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medicine. And whereas I like Deepak wants to treat me with

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yoga and meditation. And I'd rather be treated with the

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spiritual work of yoga and meditation and the breath work,

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and it's just wonderful. So we're gonna we're gonna complete

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our conversation but the conversation is not complete as

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far as I'm concerned around you. You are your ability to speak

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from the heart is real. rejuvenating, I think is a word

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I would use, read, rejuvenate, rejuvenate the the power, of

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stillness, as it is practically applied in situations and has a

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healing effect. They couldn't stop for 10 seconds. Now they

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can stop for 10 minutes. And my people might say, so what. But

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in the first one, you are on that automatic reaction to

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what's going on. But as you're able to shift over here, you now

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have that 10 minutes of silence, to ponder what seeds that you

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want to sow, in the garden of your reality. And you are you

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have the seeds, you you sow the seed, you sow those attacks,

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seeds, you live in attack reality, you sow the seeds of of

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love and compassion and joy. You live in that reality. And so

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you're sowing seeds of love and compassion and joy in a concrete

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garden. And you're seeing little flowers, little things happen in

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a concrete garden where they said, This is the lowest darkest

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place, can't get any worse than this. And the way you vividly

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described it of the daily bombardment of sound. Just you

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personally, I was watching the news, which I never watch at six

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o'clock. And I couldn't believe it actually physically affected

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my body to hear all the negativity of the world coming

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into my mind. Turn that sucker off right away. Because it has a

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strong influence, but we don't think it does. And that's why

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the power of meditation that you're bringing into the schools

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and around the world is, is wonderful. Wonderful. So thank

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you very, very, very much for being a wonderful guest. And I

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look forward to having future conversations, because you're a

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you're a cornucopia of love for people. So I like that very

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much.

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Thank you. Thank you.

Alan Carroll:

And anything that you'd like to say to the

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audience if they wanted to reach out and how to contact you or

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reach out how they can make donations to the foundations.

Alan Carroll:

Now,

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right now, we're, we're rebranding everything with our

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website and everything. So we don't have our website up and

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going but it is urban Yogi's. And it's going to be open I had

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put as urban Yogi's book, our we have a PayPal, which is the

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church's Tillmann at one ministry. So that's the name of

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the email, dot church. Tillman at one ministries dot church,

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you can give it to our Patreon, and we have our business

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accounts and everything. But it's not connected to all our

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websites and stuff yet. So as soon as we get that up, I would

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love to get get back to you at that. But also, if anybody ever,

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this is my first time guessing. My one of my goals is to go out

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and start speaking and talk and like I sit down, I look at

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Deepak and I'm like I could do that. You can do that. You can

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do that really wonder, I really want to get involved. So if

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anybody my email is Tillman, two to nine@gmail.com. And we're

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always ready to get our speaker to share with anyone and I thank

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you for allowing us to come on and share what it is that we do.

Alan Carroll:

Well. Excellent. And so we will we will continue

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to speak be connected into the future because this sounds like

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an exciting, an exciting opportunity for us to go back

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and forth a few times. So I wish you by i wish you success. And I

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wish you to have a joyful stillness day full of bliss and

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joy.

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But it's 80 degrees in New York. And I have an outdoor

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event. About to go speech at the homeless shelter. Kids fresh out

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of school, trying to get them to get on a map.

Alan Carroll:

Amazing. Well, thank you very, very much. All

Alan Carroll:

right, goodbye.

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Alan Carroll is an Educational Psychologist who specializes in Transpersonal Psychology. He founded Alan Carroll & Associates 30 years ago and before that, he was a Senior Sales Training Consultant for 10 years at Digital Equipment Corporation. He has dedicated his life in search of mindfulness tools that can be used by everyone (young and old) to transform their ability to speak at a professional level, as well as, to reduce the psychological suffering caused by the misidentification with our ego and reconnect to the vast transcendent dimension of consciousness that lies just on the other side of the thoughts we think and in between the words we speak.